Two old men, one room, in a hospital. Both of them are seriously ill. The first of them cannot leave his bed or even move, the second was allowed to set on a chair one hour everyday in front of the only window in the room. A friendship arises between them. The second man was describing for his friend everyday the wonderful things he sees through the window .. Kids playing merrily, ducks swimming in the beautiful lake, families in small boats, green trees and blue sky. The man was happy for hearing about these beautiful things that he cannot see.
Weeks passed, and the man who was describing the beautiful scenes died. The other man was sad for that.
Other days passed, and the man asks the nurse to be transfered to the other bed to be close to the window. And it was. He made his best to look from the window. He wanted to see the beautiful scenes and remember the good days he passed with his room mate. Little by little he lifts his body on the bed, he turns his head to the right to look from the window, and ... he was shocked. A high cement wall was standing in front of the window and blocking the sight. The man was amazed. He couldn't understand why his room mate was describing things that do not really exist.
He told the nurse about everything, and the amazement of the nurse was grater. She said: "He was blind!".
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It's a story I heard in the Friday preach, and I liked it so much.
Do the charity even if you will not take anything for it.
Give happiness to others even if you cannot have it for yourself.
Such an incredibly up-lifting story! - reb
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Nice post Mohamed, very challenging,
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Great Post, Mohamed, it made my day and it truly inspires the aspirations that my soul only dreams of.
ReplyDeleteYeah. A breeze to everyone, this is.
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Thanks for everyone. I'm glad you liked it.
ReplyDeleteThis is a wonderful story.
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ReplyDeleteMohamed has given us a wonderfully up-lifting story that everyone liked, proving that he can, at times, be an inspiring and gracious gentleman.
ReplyDeleteHowever, on his Understanding Islam Blog-site,
he demonstrates another side of his complex personality; he often deletes well-intentioned people that point to solid evidence of the negative parts within that Holy Qur'an, including direct quotes that approve of Terrorism (as a weapon of war) Bukhari, Vol 4,
Book 52, #220, and Qur'an 8:60, or another story that's found in 'Thought of a Nationalist Indian' (Hindu) See: Islam's Greed,
"Convert or Die!" (Bottom of Page 1)
Mohamed Deleted It, but it's available in our Snake-Hunters Link Page, for curious minds.
We do admire Rory's BlogOfBlogs; he never deletes anything, even an old grouch like me!
Another favorite source is -- > Eight printed pages of "What Does the Religion of Peace Teach About Violence."
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm
reb
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Reb,
ReplyDeleteThank you for your complement regarding this blog. I had my first webpage in 1999. I am at this game longer than most people. (The remains of my old domain www.graycrow.com can be seen here (beware, it's intelligent).
Furthermore, this blog is run along democratic, republican principals. It is equal and inclusive, everyone has freedom of speech and nothing is censored.
I DON'T BELIEVE IN A NANNY STATE!
This is a freedom loving blog.
Rory
Rory - If you don't believe in the 'Nanny-state', perhaps we are not that far apart after all! Best wishes, and how goes the tobacco-smoking? I still smoke a half-pack each day; tried to quit, but no luck! - reb
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Reb,
ReplyDeleteI'm never going to smoke again and I feel great. Read Allen Carr's book that I reviewed a few posts back, it is 95% successful.
Rory
Rory - I clicked your old Bull-ring in Wexford; is "The Cape" your favored Pub? Is That St Patrick in the middle of the square?
ReplyDeleteWhen I think of Ireland, it's not about Shamrocks & Green Beer, it's about Ireland's
Patrick, that coaxed the snakes into the sea;
Snake-Hunter the First! - You should be proud!
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Reb,
ReplyDelete'The Cape' is a fucking shithole and I am proud to say I am barred from it.
The important thing in the picture is the statue of the pikeman. Commemorates the 1798 United Irishmen Rising when the boys of Wexford kicked the fucking British out of our county for a few glorious weeks.
Inspired by the ideals of the French Revolution and the father of Irish Republicanism Theobald Wolfe Tone. We are very, very proud of our republican tradition in my home town.
Be advised Reb, the people who frequent this blog are republicans in the French/Irish sense and despise and spit on monarchist titles like 'Sir' or 'Lady' bestowed by some dirty English or Bourbon Monarch. Show some respect.
Rory
Rory,
ReplyDeleteOnly 15 more shopping days until St. Padraig's Day. I hope you are well.
Did you ever read "The Year of the French" by Thomas Flanagan? It was published in 1989.
Meanwhile, the French have always been dodgy allies. Remember that the French modeled their Revolution on the American one but theirs disintegrated into the Terror and then made way for Napoleon. Unfortunately, give them enough time and they seem to be able to get anything wrong. Like giving Jerry Lewis the Legion d'honneur.
If I do write b/f the 17th, I will think of you while lift a pint a pray for St. Padraig's return. He only rid Ireland of the legless sort of snake and it seems that there is yet work to be done.
The Loop Garoo Kid
TLGK,
ReplyDeleteRead my last post and all the comments on it, then wade in with your know all American attitude to our republican ideals and French politics. Or go back to PP. All the same to me.
Rory
Snake Hunters,
ReplyDeleteIf you consider no_slappz who thinks that everyone should see porn sites to make a leap forward and recommend porn websites on my blog, and Amillianlist who thinks that the successor of prophet Abraham's heritage (i.e. Prophet Muhammad) as a killer, rapist, bla bla, if you consider those two persons as well-intentioned people. Then I think you have a sick mind. Do you like porn sites? Are they well-intentioned? Do you think that the teachings of Prophet Abraham were to kill, rape, bla bla?
And about your quotes..
The first is Bukhari, Vol 4, Book 52, #220 that states;
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand."
What is your problem about that?
Is that the part that says ".. and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)."
Only a minor mind would misunderstand this saying. This Hadith tells that the Prophet was making victories without the fighting. It was made only by God who throw terror in the hearts of his enemies that they are afraid even from fighting the Prophet. It can be called "Psychological Defeat". That's how the Prophet was making victories with terror. It's not a bad thing, but instead a very good thing. Making victories without even a drop of blood spilled, and without any fighting.
About your second quote Qur'an 8:60. It's the two verses 60 & 61 that states what means:
60. Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
61. But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah. for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).
There is no need for any explanation. ALL the respected states around the world are applying these principles. Why America and Russia have Nukes? Why America and Russia have powerful full arsenals? Why America and Russia and all powerful countries are developing the technology of arms? It's simply what is called in political sciences; "The Balance Of Terror". You have powerful arms, I have powerful arms. Both of us will never attack the other.
And Qur'an adds in the next verse;
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace."
And I'd like to quote the meaningful statement of George Washington:
If we desire to avoid insult, we must be able to repel it; if we desire to secure peace, one of the most powerful instruments of our rising prosperity, it must be known, that we are at all times ready for War.
Mohamed
Mohamed,
ReplyDeleteWell done, another clever, well researched comment. It is obvious from this post that you are a man of peace.
Snake, Amillieniest and No_Slappz are hateful men of war.
Rory
Thanks Rory. But will Snake Hunters listen to the voice of logic, or let his anger and hatred shut his mind?
ReplyDeleteMay God lead everyone to the right path and enlighten all our minds.
Rory - I only ask that you be cautious. As you well know, I've enjoyed a long friendship with
ReplyDeleteMohamed Fadly, and he encouraged me, on several occasions, to Read The Holy Qur'an.
Research:
"The Religion of Peace" & "People of the Book"
Mohamed said: "Ask any Question", so I search hard for hours; I quote from the Qur'an. I'm rewarded with hostility & insults, O.K., he says Liar! Then, he Deletes Both Remarks & Questions, to the point where I can no longer trust Mohamed Fadly.
Rory's Fair & Balanced Policy at BlogOfBlogs allows ANYONE equal treatment.
Pay Close Attention, Mohamed Fadly!
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The Holy Qur'an mentions "People of the Book",
Ahl al-Kitab/Christians & Jews; (The Shi'a also includes Zoroastrians in this catagory).
See Genesis 16-24, where Abraham took advantage of "maid-servant" Hagar the Egyptian, had sex, produced Ishmael! -- > Next:
See Genesis 25:18: where "they lived in hostility toward all their brothers."
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See: Qur'an 29:46 - "And do not dispute with the followers of the Book, except by what is best, except those of them that act unjustly.."
Now, here's the obvious contradiction: Qur'an 5:51
"O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; for they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a ruler/patron, then surely he is one of them; surely God does not guide the unjust people." / Next -- >
Bukhari: 52:177 - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say: "O Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him!"
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Friend Mohamed has spoken to Snake Hunter of > our Moon split in half (!) then magically rejoined (during Apostle Muhammad's lifetime, but nobody else in the world saw this event!)
He also tells of 'talking camels & trees' > >
and now we have a "talking stone"...
When a careful researcher shows a Westerner these things, the skeptical Snake Hunter says:
Show me these things, please.
When the researcher finds the Muslim word...
"Taquiyya" (Invented by Shi'a, and adopted by Sunni, to use it as 'Purposeful Deception' to fool non-believers, He Is Called a LIAR.
Rory: Do you believe that I've fabricated the above; or, do you believe I've done what I can to display TRUTH, both for friend M-Fadly, and for your friends here at BlogOfBlogs? -- reb
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What the fellow in the post above made clear is that scripture, christian, moslem, jewish or any other religious text, frozen in stone, written on linen, hidden in caves, is subject only to the readers point of view. Whether one claims to have special knowlege or sacred guidance, or be a follower of a sect which has taken a certain attitude in its translation of the sacred texts....
ReplyDeleteThe interpretaion is purely subjective. the person claiming to have the special knowlege of interpretaion is tanslating the text to fit his own special agenda.
So, Mohamed quotes the Koran on his web site to make one point, Snakefelcher reinterprets it to fit his own agenda then warns us to beware of the original interpretation because no way, no how will he ever let himself be duped into opening his eyes and seeing another point of view but his own.
Blind faith is an ugly thing. Blind faith is the curse of the dark ages which we are evolving from.
The middle ages didn't end with a specific date. We are a specie in the course of evolving. Conciousness and the ability to see and understand our place in the universe didn't end with the codification of religious scriptures in the middle ages.
Humans are the epitome of evolution because we evolve not only physically, but intellectually.
Ideas and philosophical concepts are very much a part of our evolution. It is both genetic and memetic at the same time.
My friends, let us take the next step....
microdot,
ReplyDeleteGod comment, blind faith, rigid dogma, a determination not to see the others point of view no matter what the cost, this s what causes conflict.
Reb,
Are you right and everyone else wrong?
Rory
Microdot & Rory's response has elevated this conversation to a higher level, and that's an
ReplyDeleteencouraging upturn in this discussion.
Scripture, whether it's Christian, Hebrew or Muslim, are footprints in the sands of time, and we all interpret these evidences in different ways. To ignore them, is wrong.
The logical steps for the serious investigator
is to look for the motivations and goals of each religion, and that necessarily points to the positives & negatives we find in history. None are pure; all have a blood-stained past.
* Christian: "Salvation" through Jesus Christ.
* Jew: 21st Century Survival.
* Islam: Political Hegemony of the Ummah by any and all "strategies of war", including peaceful conversion, infiltration of foreign lands to establish Shari'a Law, and most important of all, the undeniable violence, as presented in Islam's Holy Qur'an.
To the above, I would hasten to add, that there are also "moderate" muslims, like Egypt's Grand Mufti, Dr Ali Gomma, and Pakistani scholar Dr Tahir al Qudri, that seek a modest change in the violent mind-set, and they do this at great personal risk.
Iran wants no part of it; nor does Syria, or its puppets Hezbullah or Hamas, and the Innocent Muslim is consistantly victimized more than any of the armed combatants!
Old religious traditions die hard, as we all see in the daily news reports of suicide bombings in Pakistan, Afganistan & in Iraq; also in Palestine, where Hamas & Fatah frequently kill each other for political control.
To suggest that I have a suspicious agenda, seems to me irrelevent, and serves only to
minimize, obfuscate & demean this discussion.
reb
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microdot,
ReplyDeleteI agree with you that both blind faith and the refusal to listen to other perspectives, are both bad things.
Blind faith is the worst thing whether on individual level or a nation's level. Blind followers of a religion or a philosophy are a disaster. It means that there are persons with two faces, the false face of faith, and the other face of doubt.
That's why Islam refused to accept a blind faithful. It depends on the logical convincing and conversaion of minds. Many verses in Qur'an focus on the use of mind to contemplate in the universe, like:
"Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of night and day,- there are indeed Signs for men of understanding,- * Men who celebrate the praises of Allah, standing, sitting, and lying down on their sides, and contemplate the (wonders of) creation in the heavens and the earth, (With the thought): "Our Lord! not for naught Hast Thou created (all) this! Glory to Thee! Give us salvation from the penalty of the Fire. *.... * And their Lord hath accepted of them, and answered them .."
Other verses condemn those who follow the belief of their fathers without thinking, it's bad according to Qur'an. "They said: "Nay, but we found our fathers doing thus (what we do)."" 26:74
This verse and other verses were said about the pagans who worship idols just as what their fathers did without thinking, but when we read the verse: " Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error:" 2:256 and realize the reason why it was revealed, we'll understand the Islamic perspective about blind faith..
In Medina, in the early dawn of Islam, the new Muslims of Medina wanted to force their adult children who were Jews or Christians to convert to Islam, but this verse was revealed to set a great rule of requiring a faith after a full conviction, not a blind faith.
I don't know if what I'll say next intersts you or not, but I cannot call myself a blind faithful. After I started blogging, five years ago, I contacted Egyptian Christians living in Australia and had long conversations with them about Christian and Islamic belief. And I already have an agnostic friend from Washington state and we talked so much about many things concerning her belief and my beleif. And I even disputed with an athiest girl from London. After all these conversation, I knew by all my heart and by all my mind that Islamic religion is the most mind-respecting, logical, merciful and moderate religion. When I read Qur'an time after a time I love my religion more and more.
Snake Hunters,
ReplyDeleteYes, I told you to ask me questions about Islam. I asked you several times to read Qur'an. That's right. Yes, you may have read and researched. But you fell in a mistake that any good researcher would never fell in. When you searched hard for hours you only read from non-Muslims resources who attack Muslims. You never tried to give yourself enough time to read the first source of Muslim culture, i.e. the Qur'an. You didn't try to read the writings of moderate voices of Muslims. In other words, you only saw one half of the picture. You only walked by one leg. You flied by one wing. So, let me tell me you that your research has failed.
You said that there is an "obvious contradiction" between the two verses 29:46 and 5:51 of Qur'an. Ok, let me at the first copy&paste the translation of the two verses by Yusuf Ali.
ReplyDeleteAnd dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam)." 29:46
O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. 5:51
If you read the translation thoroughly you'll notice that in the verse 5:51 the word in your translation is "friends", but in Yusuf Ali's translation it's "friends and protectors". The reason of that difference is because the word "friends" in Arabic is "Asdeka'", but this is not the word mentioned in the verse 5:51. Indeed the word mentioned in this verse is "Awleya'", it's not "Asdeka'".
So, what's the difference between the two words "Awleya'" and "Asdeka'"?
"Awleya" is the plural for the word "Wali", which is translated as Patron, Protector or Lord. This word "Wali" was used in Qur'an to describe the relation between God and the faithfuls in verses like; "Allah is the Protector (Wali) of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness He will lead them forth into light. .." 2:257 It's used also as "heir" or "close relative" in such verse: "And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir (Wali) authority (to demand qisas or to forgive): ..".
Also, the same word "Awleya'" was used in the following verse: "O ye who believe! take not for protectors (Awleya) your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong." 9:23
From the above verses you can understand that the word "Wali" -used in verse 5:51- doesn't mean a friend, but it's patronization and protection which is a very close relationship that doesn't depend only on the ties of humanity, but also on the ties of faith. It's understood that Jews patronize Jews, Christians patronize Christians, and Muslims patronize Muslims. However, a Jew would befriend a Christian, or a Muslim befriend a Jew. It's the same with nationality. Americans patronize Americans first, Chinese patronize Chinese first, Australians patronize Australians first, but this doesn't mean that an American would not befriend a Chinese, or an Australian with a South-African.
To brief it, the two verses 5:51 and 29:46 don't contradict each other, but they are handling two different issues. Plus, Islam ordered Muslims to deal kindly and justly with non-Muslims (60:8), and allowed to marry from Christians and Jews (4:24), and to exchange friendly visits and food (5:5). If Islam was truly banning the friendship between Muslims and the People of the Book, so how it allowed the requirements of friendship, i.e. visitations, food invitations, marriage and kind dealing?
For more detailed explanation for the question: Does Islam Forbid Befriending Non-Muslims? check this link; http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaEAskTheScholar&cid=1119503543362
About the Hadith of the Prophet Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
ReplyDeleteNarrated Abu Huraira:Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
This is a prediction, not an order for Muslims to kill Jews. The Prophet told Muslims in many Hadith's about how the day of Judgement will be, what will happen during it, what natural disasters will happen, what wars will break out, who will fight against whom. One of these predictions is that Muslims will unite and fight against Jews under the leadership of Prophet Jesus. These predictions exist in all the three religions. In Torah we can find the prediction about Armageddon battle when the Messiah will return to earth to kill anti-Christ with the help of Jews and Christians. It will happen at the end of time, before the day of Judgement.
The same man who said this prediction, i.e. Prophet Muhammad, had a Jewish neighbor whom he visited when he was sick. He stood in respect for a passing funeral of a Jew saying to his companions: "Isn't it a soul!". Are these the deeds of a man who want his followers to kill Jews?
This Hadith can never be understood but as a prediction of what will happen at the end of the time, just as the Christian and Jewish predictions of the war of Armageddon against "anti-Christ".
About the talking animals, and splitting of the moon, etc. They are called "Miracles". What is a miracle? It's something not normal, something very out of laws of nature. They are made on the hands of God's Prophets. Followers of every religion have a belief in a number of miracles. Christians believe that Jesus Christ could turn clay into doves, give back life to the dead. Muslims believe that the moon was split into two halfs then rejoined, something witnessed by the Indians during the rule of Chakrawati Farmas. It's a must that the whole earth cannot witness it when it's round. The same with eclipses, a part of the earth witness it full, other parts witness it partial, rest of the earth cannot witness it at all. Other miracles like talking animals cannot be scientifically proven, they happened in the past, those who witnessed them were amazed, they narrated them for others who didn't see it, and we heard these narrations, we believe it because those who told us are faithful and honest persons.
ReplyDeleteYou don't have to believe in something that is against laws of nature when you did not witness it, but when you witness the miracle of Qur'an and deny it then it's a refusal to accept logicality. Yes, Qur'an is a miracle itself. When Islam is the last divine message to humanity, then it was necessary to be accompanied by an everlasting miracle, not a physical miracle that can only be witnessed be a limited number of people, but a miracle that can be witnessed by everyone until the end of time.
The miracles of Qur'an exist in its words, in its unique language, in the use of the appropriate word in the exact appropriate place, in the arrangement of the word after a word. God challenged all the people to make a book, or even a chapter like Qur'an.. "And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true." 2:23 But no one could face this challenge.
The miracle of Qur'an exists also in telling scientific facts 14 centuries ago, that could only be discovered recently.
The earth is round, this fact was discovered and scientifically proven only years ago. Qur'an told us that 14 centuries ago. In 30th verse of 79th surah the earth is described as "Dehya" which means in Arabic "An Egg".
Another scientific fact is that the sex of the embryo is determined by the Sex Determination Factors that only exist in the seed of the male. Only the man has the X and Y, when the woman has only the X. This facts was implied in this verse:
"That He did create in pairs,- male and female, * From a seed when lodged (in its place); " 53: 45, 46
The verse says that the pairs of male and female comes from the seed.
There is a lot of examples like that can be found over the web. But my point is that if this "ancient" book that was revealed 14 centuries ago has implied scientific facts that could only be discovered recently with our modern technologies, so we should ask; Who told Prophet Muhammad, the illiterate man, who never went out of the Arabian Peninsula, in an age without modern technological tools about these facts?
Reb,
ReplyDeleteYou have comments enough to keep you happy for a while now.
Mohamed,
You have been busy, I hope you get some reward for all this work.
Rory
Rory,
ReplyDeleteMy reward is that others read well and understand he truth of Islam, neither what extremists preach, nor what some western writers and sites make of propaganda against Islam.
Rory - I seek no personal reward; and the so-called "western hate propaganda" would be totally unnecessary if inquiring minds use their search engines on their computers to investigate how Islam's 'ProphetOfDoom' speaks about one-half of the human race i.e. women & girls, in the Holy Qur'an!
ReplyDeleteThen, search once more, about "honor killings",
and how suicidal killers of Innocent Muslims have been victimized in the past, in so many countries, by the true believers of Jihad Holy War.
Tomorrrow's suicide bomb will ignite in a place still unknown, until you turn on the Tv set...think about that!
The 'Apostle of Allah' is most often quoted in Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52. Read His Words!
The Truth of Islam's Blood-soaked 1400 Year History Is Found in > TheReligionofPeace.com < for anyone that will take the time to search for it!
I have. - reb
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Snake Hunters,
ReplyDeleteThrough your comment I can see that you didn't read my clarification of your quotes from Holy Qur'an and Hadith of Prophet Muhammad.
So, read the clarification well and give us your perspective. That's how a civilized and fruitful discussion goes on.
Mohamed - Your "clarifications" are unreliable because your opinions are set in stone, and unchangable; critical analysis is forbidden where "devine sources" are claimed!
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Rory - Congratulations! I've re-read the comments in "Giving Happiness" post several times, and this one deserves high acclaim, permitting all participants an equal opportunity to speak.
I would recommend printing & filing in its entirety for future reference; your very best effort in many months! - reb
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Prediction:
ReplyDeleteAs long as these high ethical standards are maintained on this post, without the inane name-calling and personal attacks, this "Giving Happiness" {post} will easily exceed 100 comments, and beyond!
reb
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I had an interesting discussion on the state of the world with a Lithuanian man (born when his country was part of the U.S.S.R and an Irish man (son of an Irish Traveller (tinker) and an Irish French Foreign Legionnaire.
ReplyDeleteWe agreed that republicanism in the Irish or French sense (liberty, equality and fraternity) was the way to go.
Not the republicanism of America (the right to bear arms and make money and pay no tax if at all possible).
The USA was always about capitalism and greed (Latino farm laborers) and slavery (African Americans) and robbery (native Americans), now it belongs to China.
You sold out for a load of consumer crap Reb, your country never believed in anything but the greenback and now the Chinese have all the green.
I don't know why you're so worried about Islam, well I do, denial,you can't face the real problem, a country that never had any principal but the right to be greedy is suddenly bankrupt.
Rory
Rory - I am sorely tempted to respond to your negative stereotypes, but...I Will Not.
ReplyDelete>
Your BlogOfBlogs has recently taken a totally new approach; you can continue to vastly improve your own public personna, maintain personal integrity, and guarantee a brighter future for this blog, to become an inspiration among your friends, for your town of Wexford, and in a short year, for all bloggers in Ireland.
Please consider it.
* Strictly Prohibit Dirty Language
* Limit the personal attacks (with a warning)
* Set your compass for continued open discussion, then allow no distractions or interferance!
I'm old; what I do, whom I choose to like or dislike, is my problem, not yours. If the USA cannot shift its political course in the coming elections in November, then I would tend to agree with your analysis. We Americans will permanently lose our prominent position among the world powers, to China, to India, and to Islam, and slowly sink (forever) into a "third world position."
Fortunately, there are strong indications here, that an alarmed majority of the population are coming alive, and not a moment too soon (!) and 'progressivism' is fast losing ground, in its first year in power.
Accentuate the positive, eliminate the negatives, in your life, and on this blog!
Carefully consider these words. - Goodbye.
reb
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Snake Hunters,
ReplyDeleteYou're puzzling me..
You first challenge me to explain your quotes from Islamic resources,
then when I provide my explanation, you say: "Your "clarifications" are unreliable because your opinions are set in stone, and unchangable"
(!!!)
Do you really want to make a fruitful and civilized discussion where the two voices are listened to, and well-analysed?
Or you have an unchangeable negative perspective about Islam and Muslims and you are not ready to listen to what contradict what you have always been listening to on your TV?
Reb,
ReplyDeleteThanks for your advice, but there will never be censorship, even of dirty language on Blog-of-Blogs!
Rory
Mohamed - I'm sorry about your confusion, but Challenging Mohamed Fadly is not enough!
ReplyDeleteIt's obvious that two people can read the same ancient verse, where the words are clear (only to the skeptic) about the most brutal violence (Qur'an 5:33) to enforce Islamic belief. It's unmistakable, when the "true believer" justifies these most horrible, physical mutilations...with clever words.
Well, that is inexcusable, from my perspective! Cutting off a hand from one side of the body of a captive, and a foot from the other side of the prisoner's body, is grossly inhumane, and deserving of the strongest condemnation by the civilized world, by International Jurists, by Women's Groups, by the U.N., and the World Court.
If Mohamed says that "in war, worse things happen" I would agree, but in the example above, the prisoner is no longer a 'combatant threat' to anyone; a big difference.
You see, when I said that "Challenging Mohamed Fadly Is Not Enough", that's the lesson.
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Rory - So we occasionally disagree. I still believe 'Giving Happiness' is your best post.
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Question: Are you saying that this blog would allow comments from > >
no_slappz & Amillennialist? - reb
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Reb,
ReplyDeleteI did not post this, Mahomed did.
No_slappz & Amillennialist can comment, anyone can.
Rory
Rory - I understand; your blog, your policy.
ReplyDeleteThen it's my privilege to ask Mohamed to "clarify" Qur'an 5:33 mutilations! The cutting off of hands, feet, and finger-tips
of live captives. Is it wrong to ask?
Also, only because I've always chosen a female for personal amorous encounters, I am really at odds with the famous Arab poet Abu Nuwas:
O the joy of sodomy!
So now be sodomites you Arabs
Turn not away from it-- therein is wondrous pleasure.
Take some coy lad with kiss-curls
twisting on his temple
and ride as he stands like some gazelle
standing to his mate.
A lad whom all can see girt with sword
and belt, not like your whore who has to go veiled.
Make for smooth-faced boys and do your very best to mount them, for women are
the mounts of devils.
What's this; another woman-hater?
Perhaps the clarification for this, is to be found in (Qur'an 52:24): "And there will go round boy-servants of theirs, to serve them as if they were preserved pearls."
(Qur'an 56:17): They will be served by immortal boys."
(Qur'an 76:19): "And round about them will (serve) boys of everlasting youth. If you see them, you would think them scattered pearls."
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Rory - When I read these things, I cannot help but recall the strange reasons parents from this culture, feel compelled to slice their young daughter's throat, for a sexual mis-adventure, or a rape, with an "honor killing!"
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On March 9th, 8:49 PM...
Mohamed said: Snake Hunters, you're puzzling me.."
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Perhaps Mohamed has a valid point; I am so puzzled and bewildered by the multiples of violence and graphic sexual notions so often mentioned in that holy book, it is I who need
Mohamed's clarifications & justifications... more than I had ever realized.
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Snake Hunters,
ReplyDeleteYou're mistaken again.
You said.. ".. the most brutal violence (Qur'an 5:33) to enforce Islamic belief."
Let's read at first the three verses of 5: 32, 33 and 34..
"32. On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
33. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
34. Except for those who repent before they fall into your power: in that case, know that Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. "
The first thing to be noticed in the verse 5:32 is that it sets the rules of respecting the human soul. It considers that killing one person as if it would be as if it's slaughtering the whole people, and that saving a life, would be as if it's saving the life of the whole people.
We have here two parts; Killing persons, and Saving lives of persons..
Qur'an says that killing people is the worst crime ever, it's unforgivable, it's one of the most greatest sins ever. Qur'an says that killing one innocent soul is like killing the whole people on the earth, unless it's for a just retribution (life for life) (Qisas), or for those who kill innocent persons and spread terrorism among safe people.. A killer of one innocent soul is committing a most brutal crime.
On the other hand, Qur'an tells that saving a life is a very noble job, a most good deed, one of the greatest things a person would do. Qur'an says that saving one soul is to be considered as if it's saving the life of the whole people.
Yes, Qur'an is raising the value of human life to a very high rank. Islam is frighting devout Muslims from attacking the human soul. And in the same time it calls devout Muslims and encourage those who seek blessing Allah to save the lives of persons ".. it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people ..". Is it as doctors who save lives of sick people? Is it as firemen who save people from dangers? Those who save people from drowning? Islam tells all these persons that they are doing one of the most charitable deeds that bless God.
If we moved on to the next verse 5:33, we'll found out that it's protecting the same perspective of raising the value of human soul and security. This verse sets the just punishment of those who "wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land". A question would arise; what's the meaning of waging war against Allah, and striving with might and main for mischief through the land?
ReplyDeleteAccording to the interpretations of Muslim scholars it includes in Tabari interpretation book; armed robbery, waylay, assassinating, terrorizing people with weapons, the man who cheats a man or a child and kill him alone then take his money and raping.
Also, we would understand the meaning of this verse when we read the story why it was revealed..
A group of people came to Medina, and pretended to be Muslims, then they got sick because of the weather of Medina, the Prophet told them to go to where the camels of Medina are kept to drink its milk and water. They stayed there until they recovered, then they killed the keepers of the camels and stole the camels. The Prophet sent some of his companions to bring them back, and then their hands and feet were cut off from opposite sides.
Both the interpretation and the story why this verse was revealed makes us understand what is "waging war against Allah" and "striving with might and main for mischief through the land". It's betrayal, killing safe people and armed robbery. It's raping women and children and using weapons to terrorize safe people.
Thinking of it for a while, these are the same crimes that make governments take tough actions, and make armies move on. They are what are called in our days as; terrorism, raping, mafia, serial killing and armed robberies.
The punishment may look severe, but it's because of the severeness of the crime. It's a protection for the human soul. It strengthens the previous verse that raises the value of human life. When a person kills an innocent man, or a terrorist puts a time-bomb in a public place, or rape a little child .. this criminal has severely assaulted the security of society. He didn't just assaulted only an individual's right, but his assault is against the whole society. That's why he is severely punished. Sometimes, the peak of mercy towards the society is to severely punish a criminal who severely assaulted the security of that society.
So, Snake Hunters, you're mistaken in two things..
ReplyDeleteThe first mistake is that this verse, and any other verse in the whole Qur'an, do not tell Muslims to enforce Islamic belief. In contrary, Qur'an says; "Let there be no compulsion in religion." 2:256 The verse 5:33 is talking about the punishment of those who are called now as; terrorists, serial killers, rapists, armed burglars.
The second mistake is .. what you mentioned about war captives. I wonder, you said at first that the verse is talking about enforcing Islamic belief, then later you said that it's talking about war captives!!
I think it's your same old way of lieing and misguiding people about Qur'an. However there is no mention of war prisoners in these three verses, but you said: "If Mohamed says that "in war, worse things happen" I would agree, but in the example above, the prisoner is no longer a 'combatant threat' to anyone; a big difference." You lie. I would accept a lie from a young boy, he's a kid, but from an old man .. NO.
Anyway, Islamic rules in treating war captives are the best ever.
About their food, Qur'an tells all Muslims that it's something that bless Allah to feed a war captive.. And they feed, for the love of Allah, the indigent, the orphan, and the captive,- * (Saying),"We feed you for the sake of Allah alone: no reward do we desire from you, nor thanks." 76:8, 9
And in 8th Chapter, Verse 70: "O Messenger. say to those who are captives in your hands: "If Allah findeth any good in your hearts, He will give you something better than what has been taken from you, and He will forgive you: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.""
Comparing these great principles to what Jews believe in according to Deuteronomy, Chapter 20
10. When thou drawest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. 11. And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that are found therein shall become tributary unto thee, and shall serve thee. 12. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it. 13. And when the LORD thy God delivereth it into thy hand, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword; 14. but the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take for a prey unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. 15. Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations. 16. Howbeit of the cities of these peoples, that the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth, 17. but thou shalt utterly destroy them:
Yes, Islamic principles are the most merciful and most just.
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And now, about your foolish thinking about sodomy..
You really have a sick mind. The verses you quoted are talking about the blessings that devout faithfuls in God will have in paradise. One of them is to be served by nice-looking boys. One of the things that any normal person would enjoy is seeing a nice-looking child. Normal persons don't put this enjoyment in a sexual frame, but you do. I would question then about your sick soul.
Mahomed,
ReplyDeleteI am really busy hope to get a chance to study your comments next week. I agree with what you said in the end about Reb though, he really has a sick mind!
Reb,
You really have a sick mind.
Rory
Reb,
ReplyDeleteAs Mohamed wrote,
You really have a sick mind.
Rory
Rory and Mohamed. The "sickness" exists within these ancient doctrines, that I've read both in Hebrew, and in the Arabic texts, not in the mind of one old man. Soon, I'll be gone, but the sickness will still be here for the world to confront. Apologist "clarifications" change nothing, create nothing useful.
ReplyDeleteIs it fair to label the researcher a 'Liar', or possesing a "sick mind", if one attempts to dig deeply into these odd beliefs, or point to the obvious errors contained therein?
When Mohamed justifies physical mutilations, sodomy, honor-killings of young girls by parents, terror, or the next suicide bomb that
often kills & maims many innocent muslims to achieve 'terror' on different continents, it's indeed a callous world that ignores these daily atrocities!
IGNOR-ANCE IS THE GREATEST SIN OF ALL, COMMITTED IN THE NAME OF A GOD! - reb
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Snake Hunters,
ReplyDeleteMy last comment is at 7:42 AM, your comment at 10:06 AM!!
It's only 2 hours and half. I would doubt then that you took the enough time to read and think about my comments.
Also, another proof that you did NOT read my comments is the following..
You said.. "Mohamed justifies
-physical mutilations,
-sodomy,
-honor-killings of young girls by parents,
-terror,
-or the next suicide bomb that often kills & maims many innocent muslims to achieve 'terror' on different continents.
a) I explained that these severe punishments stated in verse 33 of 5th Chapter of Qur'an are for rapists, serial killer, terrorists and those who put time-bombs in public places. If you feel sympathy to any of these criminals, then you are a wired guy.
b) I mentioned NOTHING in my comments about sodomy, re-read my comments.
c) I mentioned NOTHING in my comments about "honor-killings".
d) I don't justify terror. Instead I said that those who spread terror among safe people worth to be severely punished by the just punishments stated in verse 33 of 5th Chapter of Qur'an.
e) I didn't justify "the next suicide bomb that often kills & maims ...".
My advice to you.
REMOVE THE HATRED FROM YOUR HEART. IT'S BLINDING YOUR MIND.
Hope you follow my advice.
Mohamed - Your advise falls flat. To Ignore Insane Reality, Is To Justify It'a Many Cruelties! Be calm, listen carefully. Stop accusing people of hatred, where none exists.
ReplyDeleteThe Impartial Observer is capable of retaining his skeptical nature, if he calmly refrains
from emotional involvement & blind hatreds of others. I do admire your "moderate" viewpoints whenever they appear. Unfortunately, Dr Ali Gomma & Dr Tahir al Qudri's "moderation" is a wonderful development, not shared by enough Muslims to make any significant difference!
Therefore, the Holy War Increases, and gains temporary momentum around the world, before it finally collapses under its own weight.
Your problem, is a "failure of omission", to face, to firmly confront and loudly denounce the evils of mass suicide killings, terrorism, sodomy of young boys, the honor killings, or the Recruitment of Jihad Terrorists in Europe, in North America, plus many other locations.
Whether you finally realize it or not, Islam requires 'One-Man Rule', either by a King, or by a Grand Ayatollah, with his puppet Imams!
The rest of the free world rejects these Shi'a & Sunni Systems; most of the freedom-loving nations have seen the results of these cruel dictatorships throughout man's history, with a plodding continuum of wars for 5,000 years.
The mind is a sponge; to focus on a singular objective of "winning", regardless of the consequences, is to guarantee a continuation of these wars, the dimininishing of hope for a brighter future for all nations in Century 21.
My century has past; yours has just begun. To focus on that reality, is a wise choice.
To continue with name-calling, and the high-lighting of imagined "hatreds" adds nothing of value to this discussion. - reb
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The astronomer that has devoted his adult lifetime studying the visible universe, probably knows more about the asteroid belt, the density of Jupiter, and the findings of those two roving vehicles on Mars, and how our 3rd planet from the sun slowly cooled and became a living, pulsating lovely green part of our solar system. We can all assume that he knows just a bit more about galaxies and flashy traveling comets than his bright and eager freshman student.
ReplyDeleteIf a professor of theology studies the middle eastern religious origins of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam in their historical context, he probably has a fair knowledge of their origins, their complex doctrines and dogmas, that inevitably lead to leadership competitions within each of them (Sunni Vs Shi'a, Hamas Vs Fatah, etc) and the cruel intolerance of all the other foreign deities, prophets and belief systems, and their claims of unlikely miracles of talking camels, or of Hanuman, the Monkey God, or of the Persian belief of a Dooms-day Madhi Prophet!
I do not wish to ridicule these beliefs; they are all a part of man's ever-evolving past.
When a 21 year old very smart student attempts to 'advise' and 85 year old man about the good & evil ways of this world, and especially regarding his "One & Only True Religion" it quickly brings to mind an elder son.
At 18 years of age, that amazing boy knew more and his parents, his teachers, his athletic coach, and anyone else over the age of thirty!
Mohamed. Learn kindness, tolerance and courtesy! Youthful arrogance is not an admirable trait.
reb
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Snake Hunters,
ReplyDeleteAnd how are you moving us to peace?
How are you financing your research?
Do you have access to ancient Biblical Christian scrolls? I would very much like to read them myself.
Are you reading from original Jewish or Muslim material?
Are we all a little bit like Homer's listeners? Listening to him tell what was passed to him and what he retold?
Are we learning what was finally transcribed by one expert in the language of the word's origin?
Even then. Is there possibility that word or text was taken out or added in?
I listened to a radio preacher recently. He asked where the simple believers are. He said he would like to meet the simple believer: one who doesn't need so much complexity but one who believes. He has a point.
Unless those texts hidden from humankind are available we are still as those Martin Luther spoke about.
TRY THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX
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All three major religions have, at the beginnings of their history, extremes of ugly violence, and war. Early on, Buddhism has maintained through the centuries, the peaceful thought and instructions, passed along to the next generation.
Wouldn't it be a novel idea, to incorporate some of these values & ideals into the basic teachings of Judaism, Christianity and Islam?
Consider this:
Karma and Reincarnation is at the heart of Budddhist thinking, where the belief that the soul is eternal, and reappears through succeeding lifetimes, with life's lessons retained, and deeply woven into the mind and soul.
There is both Good & Bad Karma. Where the "positives" are prominent, the soul will advance to a higher level of conciousness with each lifetime, and violent tendancies are greatly diminished.
Example: If the individual believes that there are direct consequences to good behavior, then peace, love and tolerance is directly tied to self-improvement, and a benefit to society! When the soul reaches 'Nirvana' (enlightenment) it's the end of the cycle of rebirth.
Where "bad karma' exists, such as intolerance of other ideas, and ill-will and hatred is allowed to develop, i.e. racial or gender hatred, such as the hatred of women & girls, or dark skin, that poor soul suffers a negative consequence. An extreme example would be where a warrior cuts off a hand or foot from a captive, and in his next life be born with a severely crippled body. Or, if he throws acid in the face of a "non-believer", the unavoidable consequence in a future life, that infant be born blind, to experience the same trauma he delivered to another person in a previous lifetime.
If there was an infusion of this noble thinking into the old ideas, would world populations suddenly change course, put an end to their violent behavior - perhaps an end to War?
Such a radical notion! - What do you think?
reb
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www.lazyonebenn.blogspot.com
Biblical References to Karma & Rebirth:
ReplyDeleteFirst, the King James Version: "Ask and it shall be given unto you, seek, and ye shall find; knock and it shall be opened unto you."
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On Rebirth: The first sign of a taking for granted of the doctrine is found in Matthew: 11:13-14; 16:13 - Jesus asks his disciples,
"Whom do men say that I, the son of man, am?" (Matt: 16:13) and the disciples answer, "Some say that thou art John the Baptist, some Elias, and others Jeremias, or one of the Prophets."
Since Elias & Jeremias were centuries before, how could Jesus be thought to be any of these,
except in a past life? Certainly, they were quite familiar with the doctrine.
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Note: there are many of these in both the Old and the New Testament. If you are interested in this subject, do the research; I did!
Try: www.shareintl.org.net/archives/Ageless Wisdom/aw_imreincarn.htm
reb
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Moonlitetwine asks the Snake-hunter:
ReplyDelete"And how are you moving us to peace?"
A: It's not easy; it's like single-handedly moving an army of cats through a large cactus patch, past an acre of catnip, to bowls of cool milk!
Half of those felines just don't understand my motivations, the other half don't give a damn!
reb
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...and above these things God is love. He is merciful to the end. His grace may be given.
ReplyDeleteHis hope for peace is our way outta what is happening this week in Washington DC. Hope for the neglected, the disabled, the unholy - which includes us all.
His hope is my hope today = that we all under our government have equal access to health and dental care.
Shalom
IF "We the People" decide next November 2nd, that the Free Market-place, Free Enterprise & Small Businessmen be given free access to "stimulus" bank loans, they will quickly turn this nation away from Government Mandated Healthcare, Government Ownership of General Motors Corporation, Everlasting Debt to China, plus 10% Unemployment; that isn't working very well - now, the voters will decide.
ReplyDeleteIf a large percentage of working people can't
find employment, they certainly cannot afford
Good Health Insurance, a decent place to live, an automobile, and healthy food for the dinner table.
(Bush/Cheney had 4.6 Unemployment for 8 years.)
Our one-year experiment with Socialism & Massive Debt, has been a great learning experience! Let's all hope for a Return to the 'Two-Party System' of Governance for the USA.
Shalom - reb
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Moonlight - You switched the subject away from
ReplyDelete"Peaceful Buddhism", where I did accurate research for you. Should I wait for Rory?
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You asked another question on the Mohamed Post, about the WWII years. I attempted to answer, with a WWII Accurate Summary, and it was entirely deleted! I prefer to keep all future comments on this BlogOfBlogs; I trust Rory Stafford's Policy. - Thank you. - reb
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Snake Hunters,
ReplyDeleteDon't ever try to play that dirty game.
I did not delete your so-called answer on Ann's comment at March 13, 2010 10:06 PM.
You yourself said at March 14, 2010 7:04 AM that you received the message"
"Your HTML cannot be accepted, must be at most 4,096 characters." which means that it was NOT published at all.
To go back here and say ".. and it was entirely deleted! I prefer to keep all future comments on this BlogOfBlogs; I trust Rory Stafford's Policy. Then you're a big liar.
Split your comment on parts, or whatever you'll do, BUT DON'T TELL LIES.
Got it?
Snake Hunters,
ReplyDeleteAre you not the same person who said President Obama is a bigot? And I wondered in print to which side of his family he is bigoting: his Black father or his white mother?
I have been writing moonlitetwine pieces since 2006. I have been writing about homelessness at least since then. When I can go outside and easily cast my eyes on homeless women and homeless children in my mid-western town I know our nation is in trouble.
Is this truth or am I making things up? Take your memory back to the last Summer Olympics. The USA had a female runner in competition. She was a hurdler. She missed first place because her toes hit the hurdle. She grew up in my town and she spent time as a homeless child.
We have problems in Iowa. May be your state doesn't. As a fellow American I would hope for better alignment of core values. I'm saddened by your disrespect of our president and your hatred of me.
Rory - Welcome back! When I couldn't reach BlogOfBlogs, I thought that you had banned me!
ReplyDeleteI didn't know that you "went off-line".
Mohamed - When I spent an hour carefully researching & typing the WWII Summary for Moonlite Lady, and it failed to publish, I suspected you, because you've deleted me before, and called me a "Liar". (Shame on you.) I'm really not, but I do occasionally make mistakes. Don't you make mistakes?
HTML says...too many words! Well, O.K., But does that indicate that I'm 'a liar'?
Moonlite asked what I was doing for "peace" ??
Please re-read my March 12, 2010 1:26 PM Comment,
"TRY THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX", where I had hoped for some good opinions here on the Peaceful Buddhists Belief, from Rory & Moonlight, and especially from Mohamed.
I welcome ALL opinions, and I'm not offended by people that use insults (it's their choice).
Moonlight Lady - Women that have been abused by
negative men for a long time tend to distrust most men; that's understandable.
When a women meets a negative male personality, that is filled with an all-consuming mindless hatred, remember this:
He has chosen his path long ago! He will eventually reveal himself to you, even disrespect you, with a filthy mouth...in your company, and even on your gentle blog!
Caveat Emptor. - reb
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Moonlite - I've never called Obama a bigot. reb
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I've just moments ago, posted a Civics Lesson
ReplyDeletefor March 18th Comments. See "What Did Obama Say" {post}. It is meant to inform the unaware about the nature of a 'Republic', and exactly how it works! Compare with 'Socialism' - reb
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Mohamed - You shy away (I knew you would) from any talk of the peaceful intention of today's Buddhist, or from New Testament Matthew 5:9 "Blessed are the peace-makers, for they shall be called the children of God."
ReplyDeleteYou prefer insults directed at an old man.
If I quote the exact bloody words of Qur'an 5:33 "...execution, or cruxifixion, or cutting off the hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land, etc...and heavy punishment
in the Hereafter". This is the purest hatred!
The Above Is A Direct Threat Of Painful Retributive Justice..to the doubter & non-believer, the infidel, the heathen, the pagan and kafir. (All Hate-Filled Names.)
To give us your double-talk with other quotes, falls flat! To say that I have a "sick mind" and a 'hater', falls flat! To call me a liar is useless name-calling.
The serious student must take years to really study - Comparitive Religions - for a greater understanding of the merits and demerits of each belief structure and its history. Rather than to promote ONLY the positive parts of one religion, you must eventually look beyond your shallow box. None are pure; all fall short of the "Glory of God"...all are sinners.
The next suicide bomb for the 21st Century will not be ignited by a Jew, or Buddhist, or a Coptic or Christian; it will be from the hand of a fanatical Jihadist Muslim. You know it, and Rory knows it too.
The three major religions today, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, all have a blood-splattered past history; to deny it is foolishness. To deny Islam's continuation, when we all have access to world-wide television, is beyond absurdity.
I understand and sympathize with the Orthodox Jew, nodding & praying for "peace" at the Wailing Wall, when he said:
"Sometimes I think, that I'm talking to a wall." - reb
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Mohamed - Most importantly, I am grateful to you, for giving me this opportunity to correct the mis-impressions & perversions of American History by hateful people, where ever the are!
ReplyDeleteThe North American Continent was a vast, mostly unoccupied wilderness when discovered in 1492 A.D. Christopher Columbus thought he's found India, and called the natives "Indian" -
The few indigenous tribes on the East Coast were few in numbers, had no government, no army or navy to protect them from the coming hordes escaping the tyranny and oppression of brutal European Monarchs, so they were quickly outnumbered, and subdued by the new colonists.
Tell us all about the "Hindu Indians" that were brutalized by Jihad for 1400 years, and the recent killing raid in their capital city of Mumbai (Bombay) by Pakistani Muslims. O.K.?
In 1776, tired of British 'Taxation Without Representation', the 13 colonies signed Jefferson's "Declaration of Independence", and this meant War with Great Britain! (We won it.)
This Victory, gave us a set of Laws unparalleled in human history, with Freedom of Speech, of Religion, of the Press, and Freedom to Peacefully Assemble, and to Peacefully Petition our Government for a Redress of Grievances - An audacious beginning!
People hoping for 'freedom from oppession' flocked here from many nations. We were the Beacon of Liberty and Justice For All.
Four score and seven years later, Abe Lincoln
signed the Emancipation Proclamation freeing black slaves, and still later we gave Women the Right to Vote! Very Slowly, under these freedoms, we were maturing, into the greatest, most innovative, most inventive, most industrious nation in the entire world.
First in powered flight (1908), first with the electric light (Edison), first with a mass production assembly line (Ford), first to walk on the moon (NASA), and first with the Computer
(Bill Gates) (that you use to slander our nation of free people.) Shame on you, Mohamed Fadly. Surely you must know that American Indians today have the identical rights to property, speech, religion, communication, education (they even own casinos on reservation lands) etc
We are a steadily improving nation, not a perfect one; we claim no "perfect" apostle, as does Islam.
We appreciate people like you, that point to possible Serious Flaws. We are not like Muslims
that invent excuses for the most vicious "holy" quotes about Jihad "Struggle", about extreme terror, or mutilations & beheadings, or FGM on little girls, or suicide bombings, or stonings of young girls, and grisly "honor killings" by parents (that suffer little or no punishment)...then you attempt to Hide Those Huge Flaws Under The Rug.
Is the above paragraph, one big lie, Mohamed?
Speak Up! Please tell us your tale of woe.
Thank you - Next question? - reb
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S/H,
ReplyDeleteAfter reading some of your comments these past few months, I have become a little desensitized of your comments.
You are a scary person. If that is what you are working to achieve, you accomplished it a long time ago.
Moonlight Lady - It Is Entirely Possible...
ReplyDeletethat at this stage of my life, my only purpose
is to serve as a warning to others.
The world is indeed a scary place; not everyone
that mouths "peace & love" has good intentions.
Tom Jefferson said, "Your own reason, is the only Oracle given you by heaven, and you are answerable, not for the rightness, but up-rightness of the decision."
I wish you well. - reb
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S/H,
ReplyDeleteT Jefferson. didn't have to own slaves but he did. I don't put my pot into his watering hole. I might lose my arm.
There are so many challenged to work for peace. To love is our savior's greatest service. Both are worthy missions for me.
I join together with others of like mind.
And again. No one is perfect.