Rory - I have no idea why you so very intensely dislike 'Woman Honor Thyself'.. I went to your Aifa Siddiqui Protest Post, and there she was, anonymously attempting to educate moonlite lady on the hazzards of silly, unaware young women dating muslim boys.
What I didn't know, this Angel of Mercy (and defender of women's rights) quotes directly from the Holy Qur'an, some really bad stuff on how women and young girls are treated in the Islamic Culture! Wow, really official quotes, and tough to deny material.
In deference to Rory & Mohamed, Moonlightwine will probably ignore it (yawn).
On the same post, I corrected several mistaken views on Vietnam that you may have seen displayed on a Communist website, or on a bulletin board from the World Workers Party.
Like Muslims, they seek world-wide domination.
Unreliable Hate Stuff that some willingly soak up..Rory. Don't be like those rascals.
Robert S. McNamara ran that "No-win War" from the Oval Office under the Liberal-Progressive Wing for 8 years of Kennedy-Johnson! Fifty-eight thousand U.S. Troopers died FOR NO GOOD REASON! We had ZERO National Interest in the region, None Whatever! McNamara, like today's Obama, had zero military experience. It was a propaganda bonanza for the Commie Propaganda Mills. How many are eager to believe it?
Later, McNamara admitted the mistake in his book "In Retrospect" -- He said, "We were wrong, terribly wrong!" - Yeah, 58,000 DEAD WRONG! Read it for yourself, Rory.
I lost a good friend in Veitnam; a Staff Sargeant. Check my facts before you criticize me.
Question: Barach Obama can remove words like "Terror" and "Jihad" from U.S. Security Documents, but can he remove them from The Holy Qur'an?
Bukhari, Book 52, Vol 4, 220: Allah's Apostle said, "I have been made victorious with terror."
Bukhari, 52, 177: Allah's Apostle said, "The hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which the Jew will be hiding will say... "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Can't ya just feel the peace and love? - reb ____________________________________________
- A Special Greeting To All My Acquaintences here on BlogOfBlogs. I have an announcement;
It troubles me to admit it, but I am weary and tired of Posting over 100 fascinating articles on Snake Hunters Weblog, so I've come up with a great idea...Post a few really informative, unbiased articles in sequence, then sit back and just make 'casual comments' here, there and everywhere else that allows an old grouch to join in!
See my last Post, April 17th..."What Drives Islam..." it's a real good piece (I didn't write it) but a very talented author did.
Mohamed should be very enthusiastic, because it quotes directly from the Holy Qur'an.
All comments, negative or positive, will receive the utmost respect & the attention they deserve; that's a promise.
You folks have a nice day! - reb ________________________________
Three reasons why I ignore all the lies on your blog..
a) You moderate and split my comments that correct these lies. Remember what you did with my comments on your post NOVEMBER 14, 2009, Islam IS Different? The writer of the post said many lies and stated false numbers. When I corrected these lies and manipulated numbers (on 11/18/2009), YOU SUSPENDED MY COMMENT, and only published one paragraph from the origin of a two pages comment! This reveals that you're not a fair, honest and neutral blogger.
b) If you didn't suspend my comments that answers a question or refute a lie, you just ignore them and don't give any feedback. i.e, you don't offer a counter perspective. This reveals that when you offer your copy&paste ideas, you aren't seeking a civilized, fruitful and rational speech, you don't want to know more about Islam, but just seeking to spread your hatred.
c) When Rory gave you a golden chance to make a post (of your choice) on this blog to be freely discussed WITHOUT MODERATION. You presented silly justifications on why you won't make this post. It's another big proof that you cannot bear a free and unmoderated discussion where only the evidence and counter-evidence are the guidance of the discussion. You just want to spread hatred against Islam and Muslims. There is no place for rationalism in all your discussions.
Mohamed Fadly - I am also very comfortable on this BlogOfBlogs Site; it's the perfect spot for your clever deceptions, and my response to them.
Did I not post the full text of your post on your Egyptian Grand Mufti, the "moderate" Dr. Ali Gomaa? I detected no trickery, no deceit; a fairly moderate guy by Muslim standards. I liked his very bold stance on advocating a bit more freedom for women in that culture... Wowee! If Dr. Gomma showed up in IRAN, Ahmadinejad might cut his moderate head off!
If I ever make a mistake on any post on the snake-hunters blog, be sure to report it here; if it's a real mistake I'll either admit it publicly and/or delete it promptly.
When I quote directly from your Holy Qur'an, do I attempt to twist the true meaning of that text into something else? - I Do Not - but you do exactly that; because the truth hurts your need to dominate the conversation - using taqiyya - using pages of text that violated my rules on long speeches. Loop Garoo tried that too, and I deleted him also.
Taqiyya is acceptable religious trickery and deceit (only) against non-believers, for both Shi'a And Sunni. Ahmadinejad Hates Jews and He Says So, Publicly. You pretend to like non-believers to gain their confidence, and they invite you as a privileged "contributor". That's pretty slick stuff that you're giving them, but I've met even better, but I've been around for a long time.
"War IS Deceit" Bukhari, Vo 4, Book 52, #289, and if your were honest, you would admit that you are engaged in a "holy" war (with your computer) that always, in the final analysis, demands submission to Islam. Is That Correct?
Here again are the exact words:
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor in the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by Allah and his Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya (tax) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Qur'an 9:29
Whoops!
So, No Thank You, Fadly; I'm not the least "enthusiastic" about being subdued!
There is sometimes two ways to understand a text, the one with good intention and the one with bad intention. You always choose to understand Islamic texts the bad way that reveals your corrupted mind.
One example of your corrupted way of understanding texts is the way how you understood some verses of Qur'an that describe the blessings that all faithful will have in paradise like; "16. Reclining on them, facing each other. 17. Round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness), 18. With goblets, (shining) beakers, and cups (filled) out of clear-flowing fountains:" 56:16-18 And; 17. And they will be given to drink there of a Cup (of Wine) mixed with Zanjabil,- 18. A fountain there, called Salsabil. 19. And round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness): If thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered Pearls. 20. And when thou lookest, it is there thou wilt see a Bliss and a Realm Magnificent. " 76:17-20
You think sexually of those nice-looking young servants. OK, that's your problem, your sick soul. But any other proper-minded person of any culture likes looking at a nice-looking child.
This one example makes me not so interested in talking with you. I don't like so much discussing with a man who think sexually of children.
But if you'll continue spreading your lies, I'll continue refuting them..
a) Taqiyya is only a belief of the Shia, not of Sunnis. Prove the contrary if you dare.
b) "War Is Deceit" is one of the sayings of Prophet Muhammad and it's related to the tactics of actual wars. Prove what you believe in, if you dare.
c) 29th verse of 9th Chapter which is translated as; "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. can be perfectly understood when read in its context. And, the part of ".. with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued .." refers to the submission to the state, just as any citizen submits to his democratic government even if he didn't elect it. (You elected McCain, not Obama, do you pay the taxes to the government of Obama?) For a better comment on this verse, the following article is a good resource. Click here If you are really willing to "admit" the truth, then be brave enough to read my resources and refute my evidences.
I doubt that you'll click on the link, or even read calmly my comment, but it's enough for me that I have refuted your claims by evidences that you'll NEVER DARE TO REFUTE.
I know you dislike unrelated comments to the post, so I have to express my apology for interrupting your post, but it's reb who insists to attack Islamic religion and Muslims and spread his lies. I cannot just keep still and watch silently.
If you have a way to correct this chaos I'll be glad to be part of the solution, like an individual post for discussing these lies or something else.
Friend Mohamed - IF I were a "subdued dhimmi", or just an average non-believer, I may easily be coerced into reading only from the Holy Qur'an and restricted from any opposing literature. Fortunately, I was born into a nation that encourages any student to study all the available evidence, and that's what I do, and so can YOU if you seek the truth!
Do 10 minutes of research; a single page.
Wikipedia: Muhammad Qutb & Sayyid Qutb, both prominent Egyptians of the 20th Century:
Sayyid said this: "True peace would prevail in the world just as soon as Islam had conquered it!" ___ ___ ___
Now, Islam is the only major religion that has a holy book that instructs it's faithful to behead & cut off the finger-tips of its enemies, & stone young women & girls, or beat them in public, or cut off hands and feet from an enemy "from opposite sides" as a punishment, or authorizes, with a "talking stone" the killing of a Jew hiding behind it! ___ ___ ___
- Is the above true or false, Mohamed? -
Am I a Hypocrite and a Liar, Mohamed, or am I a seeker of truth? Don't Be Shy Sir, Speak up!
Do you have the courage to answer a simple question, please - then perhaps we can advance to the "civilized, fruitful and rational speech" that you pretend is necessary.
So, we're done with your previous lies, then let's move forward to your next lies..
Here you're few quotes (translated) from the Arab AJC (American Jewish Committee) site ..
About 1000 Georgian calendar (about 390 Hijri calendar) the golden era (912-1148) for Muslims and Jews started in the Muslim Andalusia.
1020-1057: The Jewish poet, Sulaiman Abu Ayyob Bin Yahya (known also as Jaberool) the Andalusian poet, authors his philosophical book, "The source of Life" in Arabic which has been translated into Latin "Fons VitÆ" and spreads in Europe.
1024-1038: Haboos, the Muslim king for Granada, assigns the Jew Ismaeel Ibn Nagrela as a minister in his court, who remains as minister during the rule Badees who followed Haboos.
1030: Abo al-Walid Marwan Ibn Ganah, the Jewish and Andalusian physician and linguist authors a book about the origins of Hebrew which calls it; "Book of Origins" in Arabic language which is until now a linguistic resource.
1140-1350: Jewish linguists translates Arabic books about philosophy and sciences into Spanish and spread it in Europe.
1156: Musa Ibn Maymon (Maimonides) the rabbi, arrives at Egypt with his family after escaping from the oppression of Almohad dynasty, and becomes the private doctor for the Muslim minister, Al-Fadel. In addition he authors many books in Arabic like "Seraj Book" which is an interpretation for Mishnah, and "Guide for Perplexed", in addition the very important book that was authored in Hebrew, "Book of Deuteronomy".
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Guess what?
It's NOT JUST a lie that you "may easily be coerced into reading only from the Holy Qur'an and restricted from any opposing literature". But you'll be allowed to AUTHOR and TRANSLATE books about philosophy, sciences, your own language, your own beliefs.
So, answering your question; - Is the above true or false, Mohamed?
Do 10 minutes of research; a single page. Wikipedia: Muhammad Qutb & Sayyid Qutb, both prominent Egyptians of the 20th Century:
I'm not here discussing personal thoughts of Muslim thinkers, but instead I'm talking about Islamic holy texts.
Finally, your long paragraph with many false claims..
Now, Islam is the only major religion that has a holy book that instructs it's faithful to behead & cut off the finger-tips of its enemies, & stone young women & girls, or beat them in public, or cut off hands and feet from an enemy "from opposite sides" as a punishment, or authorizes, with a "talking stone" the killing of a Jew hiding behind it!
Let's split it into parts just for arranging our thoughts..
- instructs it's faithful to behead & cut off the finger-tips of its enemies I don't know exactly where you got this false claim (a quote would be recommended).
-stone young women & girls Where is that? Offer your evidence or shut up.
-cut off hands and feet from an enemy "from opposite sides" as a punishment I think you're indicating the following verses;
"32. On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. 33. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter; 34. Except for those who repent before they fall into your power: in that case, know that Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."
I have explained these verse more than once for you and you always insisted to ignore my explanations, but I'll say it again. This severe punishment is for severe crimes. It's for rapists, serial killers and terrorists. It's not a punishment for only non-Muslims or only for Muslims, it's a punishment for worst crimes not for a belief. I told you about the recent punishment of the Saudi man who raped a child, then killed him, and finally killed the worried father. He faced the penalty of death according to the just rules derived from the above verses. Remember this story?
Mohamed - You are a dandy! In your words "there is somethimes Two Ways to understand a text, the one with good intention and the one with bad intention." Although,
Actions Speak Louder Than Words!
The one with 'good' intention ignores the Muslim Violence that we see almost daily on Tv with suicidal bombings in Iraq, or Taliban in Afganistan; Muslim killing Muslim in Palestine (Hamas vs Fatah) including mostly the innocent civilians, or in Madrid, London, New York, or Mumbai(Bombay), India where countless innocents have died.."mere incidents" - The Hindu has had 1400 yrs of this outrage!
But "Mr. Good Intention" doesn't wish to discuss these boring things, he'd prefer to talk about Poetry and Philosophy, and the great contributions in Islamic culture that adds positive things, not about the killings & mutilations, or the false promise of paradise with those perpetual virgins, and cups of flavored wine. I understand that. So, we continue on with this empty chatter.
And of course, you always have the "good" intention, and I, always the bad. Mohamed always tells the Truth, and I always LIE, and spread vicious Hatred. Correct? If I quote directly from the Qur'an you ignore it, or you have a "good translation"...right?
More: "I'm not here discussing Muslim thinkers" Well why not, Mr Fadly? Did not Sayyid & Mohammad Qutb get their hard-line thinking of world conquest from holy text? Or, did they get it from kiddy cartoons, poetry or philosophy, or maybe a cook-book featuring various ways to perpare lamb stew?
You're pretty good at spinning fairy tales, Mohamed..Grim Fairy Tales. - reb > For more accurate quotes... http;//www.thereligionofpeace.com ___________________________________________
You DID NOT offer a single comment on my last evidences.
Are you convinced, or just cannot answer (as usual)?
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Rroy,
One reason why I'm patient on reb's lies..
There are hundreds, maybe thousands of orientalist websites, books and writers that attack Islam and Muslims, but unfortunately there are fewer sounds that repel these attacks. So, I'm trying to do my best to shut up reb's lies, and I can see that my efforts are achieving its target when he cannot answer my questions or even defend his lies. That's enough for me.
When the conversation deteriorates to the point of name-calling it becomes a crashing bore; so lets get back to IRSP Socialism, where the comments have a bit more spice (you silly little boy.)
Now, when you've failed to defend your lies, so listen carefully..
A long palm tree is usually thrown by stone by little kids. You know what it give back? It give delicious dates and coconut. Is it hurt from these stones? NEVER.
You have now two choices;
a) Keep spreading your lies. Keep raising hatred. Keep throwing your stones. Keep shutting your mind. But just be sure that Islam will remain as merciful and as great as it have always been.
b) Try to abandon extremism. Remove hatred from your heart. And make a brave, satisfying and neutral research about Islam. Try to know more about the truth of Islamic religion. You failed to prove that Islam is bad, is there any possibility that it's good?!! Maybe. Make your research by yourself. Abandon hateful websites, search in neutral websites.
Perhaps I Should Return The Favor. Mr. Fadly has a keen eye that's color-sensitive, and he should focus on his real talent, in Graphic Design & Photography! People don't "learn" that, they are born with it..in their DNA.
Educating an old man on the blessings of Islam is a waste of time, I've been around too long.
I know war and politics, and human weakness, and the - Thirst for Power - and how religious claims can cripple the mind of self-infected people, like Ahmadinejad - just listen to him!
He's Drunk With Power!
Mohamed is much like the little kid throwing a stone at a date tree; it's not the best way to gather dates, and I am very fond of them. The Large, Dark Medjool has the finest flavor, and the Deglet Noor, smaller but very sweet!
No, Mohamed Fadly is a very clever young man, but he's very naive about war & politics; I say that because he never mentions IRAN, or their intention to totally dominate the entire Middle East. The Egyptian & Saudi leaders are very aware, very troubled, about those Madhi believers. The Shia are only 15% of the region's population (Sunni 85%), but once Iran has nuclear capability, it will be like a skinny little tail, wagging a very big dog.
Self-Deception is a sad thing, once it is firmly embedded in the human psyche. - reb _____________________________ www.lazyonebenn.blogspot.com
Rory - Are you aware of the most prominent American Socialist of the 20th Century..Norman Thomas. I have a biography and a fine picture of him in my computer room!
Mohamed - Did you know that in the southwest corner of the U.S. we have wonderful Date Farms between Palm Springs & Indio, California?
Mohamed - I have a wonderful explanation of Qur'an 8:12, where Dr. Hesham Hassaballa explains (in four pages) "Study and understand the context, and it becomes quite clear that they are not violent at all."
Cutting off heads & fingertips..Not Violent, Doctor? - I need some fresh air! - reb ______________________________________
Nice Rory.
ReplyDeleteI particularly liked the article about headshops selling a form of meth. I hope it will be removed from shelves soon.
Congrats though on your work.
Thanks for reading Ann. We are working hard on the headshops issue right now.
ReplyDeleteRory
Ah yes, those "headshops"..I had a speeder in my family; haven't heard from him in years.
ReplyDeletereb
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Weird thing speed, I could never see the attraction (unless you were a trucker maybe).
ReplyDelete'Worker's (Communist-Socialist) Republic'
ReplyDeleteI have a problem with that last word. - reb
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Irish Republican Socialist Party Workers Republic
ReplyDeleteWexford, Ireland's Irish Republican Socialist Party Newsletter, named: Workers Republic.
ReplyDeleteThat's how I'm reading the top banner.
Also a strong suggestion to confirm the banner is under April 2nd, 2010 entry under BLOG ARCHIVE.
Ann,
ReplyDeleteThanks for reading it. Mr. Reb seems to read what he thinks is there or something.
rory
Rory - It's not just what I think is there; been listening to Far-out Left & Right-Wing Propaganda all my adult life (yawn).
ReplyDeleteP.T. Barnum said it best: "There's a sucker born every minute, and two to take him!"
Barum was a great observer of the human comedy;
here's another famous quote:
"If you want to draw a crowd, start a fight!"
reb
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Rory - I have no idea why you so very intensely dislike 'Woman Honor Thyself'.. I went to your Aifa Siddiqui Protest Post, and there she was, anonymously attempting to educate moonlite lady on the hazzards of silly,
ReplyDeleteunaware young women dating muslim boys.
What I didn't know, this Angel of Mercy (and defender of women's rights) quotes directly from the Holy Qur'an, some really bad stuff on how women and young girls are treated in the Islamic Culture! Wow, really official quotes, and tough to deny material.
In deference to Rory & Mohamed, Moonlightwine will probably ignore it (yawn).
On the same post, I corrected several mistaken views on Vietnam that you may have seen displayed on a Communist website, or on a bulletin board from the World Workers Party.
Like Muslims, they seek world-wide domination.
Unreliable Hate Stuff that some willingly soak up..Rory. Don't be like those rascals.
Robert S. McNamara ran that "No-win War" from the Oval Office under the Liberal-Progressive Wing for 8 years of Kennedy-Johnson! Fifty-eight thousand U.S. Troopers died FOR NO GOOD REASON! We had ZERO National Interest in the region, None Whatever! McNamara, like today's Obama, had zero military experience. It was a propaganda bonanza for the Commie Propaganda Mills. How many are eager to believe it?
Later, McNamara admitted the mistake in his book "In Retrospect" -- He said, "We were wrong, terribly wrong!" - Yeah, 58,000 DEAD WRONG! Read it for yourself, Rory.
I lost a good friend in Veitnam; a Staff Sargeant. Check my facts before you criticize me.
reb
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Question: Barach Obama can remove words like "Terror" and "Jihad" from U.S. Security Documents, but can he remove them from The Holy Qur'an?
ReplyDeleteBukhari, Book 52, Vol 4, 220: Allah's Apostle said, "I have been made victorious with terror."
Bukhari, 52, 177: Allah's Apostle said, "The hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which the Jew will be hiding will say...
"O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Can't ya just feel the peace and love? - reb
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- A Special Greeting To All My Acquaintences here on BlogOfBlogs. I have an announcement;
ReplyDeleteIt troubles me to admit it, but I am weary and tired of Posting over 100 fascinating articles
on Snake Hunters Weblog, so I've come up with a great idea...Post a few really informative,
unbiased articles in sequence, then sit back and just make 'casual comments' here, there and everywhere else that allows an old grouch to join in!
See my last Post, April 17th..."What Drives Islam..." it's a real good piece (I didn't write it) but a very talented author did.
Mohamed should be very enthusiastic, because it quotes directly from the Holy Qur'an.
All comments, negative or positive, will receive the utmost respect & the attention they deserve; that's a promise.
You folks have a nice day! - reb
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Snakes Hunters,
ReplyDeleteNice idea. Best wishes on a different scope.
Snake Hunters,
ReplyDeleteThree reasons why I ignore all the lies on your blog..
a) You moderate and split my comments that correct these lies. Remember what you did with my comments on your post NOVEMBER 14, 2009, Islam IS Different?
The writer of the post said many lies and stated false numbers. When I corrected these lies and manipulated numbers (on 11/18/2009), YOU SUSPENDED MY COMMENT, and only published one paragraph from the origin of a two pages comment!
This reveals that you're not a fair, honest and neutral blogger.
b) If you didn't suspend my comments that answers a question or refute a lie, you just ignore them and don't give any feedback. i.e, you don't offer a counter perspective.
This reveals that when you offer your copy&paste ideas, you aren't seeking a civilized, fruitful and rational speech, you don't want to know more about Islam, but just seeking to spread your hatred.
c) When Rory gave you a golden chance to make a post (of your choice) on this blog to be freely discussed WITHOUT MODERATION. You presented silly justifications on why you won't make this post.
It's another big proof that you cannot bear a free and unmoderated discussion where only the evidence and counter-evidence are the guidance of the discussion. You just want to spread hatred against Islam and Muslims. There is no place for rationalism in all your discussions.
So, No, thank you. I'm not "enthusiastic".
Mohamed Fadly - I am also very comfortable on this BlogOfBlogs Site; it's the perfect spot for your clever deceptions, and my response to them.
ReplyDeleteDid I not post the full text of your post on your Egyptian Grand Mufti, the "moderate" Dr. Ali Gomaa? I detected no trickery, no deceit; a fairly moderate guy by Muslim standards. I liked his very bold stance on advocating a bit more freedom for women in that culture... Wowee! If Dr. Gomma showed up in IRAN, Ahmadinejad might cut his moderate head off!
If I ever make a mistake on any post on the snake-hunters blog, be sure to report it here;
if it's a real mistake I'll either admit it publicly and/or delete it promptly.
When I quote directly from your Holy Qur'an,
do I attempt to twist the true meaning of that text into something else? - I Do Not - but you do exactly that; because the truth hurts your need to dominate the conversation - using taqiyya - using pages of text that violated my rules on long speeches. Loop Garoo tried that too, and I deleted him also.
Taqiyya is acceptable religious trickery and deceit (only) against non-believers, for both Shi'a And Sunni. Ahmadinejad Hates Jews and He Says So, Publicly. You pretend to like non-believers to gain their confidence, and they invite you as a privileged "contributor". That's pretty slick stuff that you're giving them, but I've met even better,
but I've been around for a long time.
"War IS Deceit" Bukhari, Vo 4, Book 52, #289, and if your were honest, you would admit that you are engaged in a "holy" war (with your computer) that always, in the final analysis, demands submission to Islam. Is That Correct?
Here again are the exact words:
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor in the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which has been forbidden by Allah and his Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya (tax) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Qur'an 9:29
Whoops!
So, No Thank You, Fadly; I'm not the least "enthusiastic" about being subdued!
reb
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Snake Hunters,
ReplyDeleteThere is sometimes two ways to understand a text, the one with good intention and the one with bad intention. You always choose to understand Islamic texts the bad way that reveals your corrupted mind.
One example of your corrupted way of understanding texts is the way how you understood some verses of Qur'an that describe the blessings that all faithful will have in paradise like;
"16. Reclining on them, facing each other.
17. Round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness),
18. With goblets, (shining) beakers, and cups (filled) out of clear-flowing fountains:" 56:16-18
And;
17. And they will be given to drink there of a Cup (of Wine) mixed with Zanjabil,-
18. A fountain there, called Salsabil.
19. And round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness): If thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered Pearls.
20. And when thou lookest, it is there thou wilt see a Bliss and a Realm Magnificent. " 76:17-20
You think sexually of those nice-looking young servants. OK, that's your problem, your sick soul. But any other proper-minded person of any culture likes looking at a nice-looking child.
This one example makes me not so interested in talking with you. I don't like so much discussing with a man who think sexually of children.
But if you'll continue spreading your lies, I'll continue refuting them..
a) Taqiyya is only a belief of the Shia, not of Sunnis. Prove the contrary if you dare.
b) "War Is Deceit" is one of the sayings of Prophet Muhammad and it's related to the tactics of actual wars. Prove what you believe in, if you dare.
c) 29th verse of 9th Chapter which is translated as;
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
can be perfectly understood when read in its context. And, the part of ".. with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued .." refers to the submission to the state, just as any citizen submits to his democratic government even if he didn't elect it. (You elected McCain, not Obama, do you pay the taxes to the government of Obama?)
For a better comment on this verse, the following article is a good resource. Click here
If you are really willing to "admit" the truth, then be brave enough to read my resources and refute my evidences.
I doubt that you'll click on the link, or even read calmly my comment, but it's enough for me that I have refuted your claims by evidences that you'll NEVER DARE TO REFUTE.
Rory,
ReplyDeleteI know you dislike unrelated comments to the post, so I have to express my apology for interrupting your post, but it's reb who insists to attack Islamic religion and Muslims and spread his lies. I cannot just keep still and watch silently.
If you have a way to correct this chaos I'll be glad to be part of the solution, like an individual post for discussing these lies or something else.
Regards,
Mohamed
Friend Mohamed - IF I were a "subdued dhimmi", or just an average non-believer, I may easily be coerced into reading only from the Holy Qur'an and restricted from any opposing literature. Fortunately, I was born into a nation that encourages any student to study all the available evidence, and that's what I do, and so can YOU if you seek the truth!
ReplyDeleteDo 10 minutes of research; a single page.
Wikipedia: Muhammad Qutb & Sayyid Qutb, both prominent Egyptians of the 20th Century:
Sayyid said this: "True peace would prevail in the world just as soon as Islam had conquered it!"
___ ___ ___
Now, Islam is the only major religion that has a holy book that instructs it's faithful to behead & cut off the finger-tips of its enemies, & stone young women & girls, or beat them in public, or cut off hands and feet from
an enemy "from opposite sides" as a punishment, or authorizes, with a "talking stone" the killing of a Jew hiding behind it!
___ ___ ___
- Is the above true or false, Mohamed? -
Am I a Hypocrite and a Liar, Mohamed, or am I a seeker of truth? Don't Be Shy Sir, Speak up!
Do you have the courage to answer a simple question, please - then perhaps we can advance to the "civilized, fruitful and rational speech" that you pretend is necessary.
reb
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Snake Hunters,
ReplyDeleteSo, we're done with your previous lies, then let's move forward to your next lies..
Here you're few quotes (translated) from the Arab AJC (American Jewish Committee) site ..
About 1000 Georgian calendar (about 390 Hijri calendar) the golden era (912-1148) for Muslims and Jews started in the Muslim Andalusia.
1020-1057: The Jewish poet, Sulaiman Abu Ayyob Bin Yahya (known also as Jaberool) the Andalusian poet, authors his philosophical book, "The source of Life" in Arabic which has been translated into Latin "Fons VitÆ" and spreads in Europe.
1024-1038: Haboos, the Muslim king for Granada, assigns the Jew Ismaeel Ibn Nagrela as a minister in his court, who remains as minister during the rule Badees who followed Haboos.
1030: Abo al-Walid Marwan Ibn Ganah, the Jewish and Andalusian physician and linguist authors a book about the origins of Hebrew which calls it; "Book of Origins" in Arabic language which is until now a linguistic resource.
1140-1350: Jewish linguists translates Arabic books about philosophy and sciences into Spanish and spread it in Europe.
1156: Musa Ibn Maymon (Maimonides) the rabbi, arrives at Egypt with his family after escaping from the oppression of Almohad dynasty, and becomes the private doctor for the Muslim minister, Al-Fadel. In addition he authors many books in Arabic like "Seraj Book" which is an interpretation for Mishnah, and "Guide for Perplexed", in addition the very important book that was authored in Hebrew, "Book of Deuteronomy".
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Guess what?
It's NOT JUST a lie that you "may easily be coerced into reading only from the Holy Qur'an and restricted from any opposing literature". But you'll be allowed to AUTHOR and TRANSLATE books about philosophy, sciences, your own language, your own beliefs.
So, answering your question; -
Is the above true or false, Mohamed?
False.
Am I a Hypocrite and a Liar, Mohamed,
Others has answered this question before.
Do 10 minutes of research; a single page. Wikipedia: Muhammad Qutb & Sayyid Qutb, both prominent Egyptians of the 20th Century:
ReplyDeleteI'm not here discussing personal thoughts of Muslim thinkers, but instead I'm talking about Islamic holy texts.
Finally, your long paragraph with many false claims..
Now, Islam is the only major religion that has a holy book that instructs it's faithful to behead & cut off the finger-tips of its enemies, & stone young women & girls, or beat them in public, or cut off hands and feet from
an enemy "from opposite sides" as a punishment, or authorizes, with a "talking stone" the killing of a Jew hiding behind it!
Let's split it into parts just for arranging our thoughts..
- instructs it's faithful to behead & cut off the finger-tips of its enemies
I don't know exactly where you got this false claim (a quote would be recommended).
-stone young women & girls
Where is that? Offer your evidence or shut up.
-cut off hands and feet from an enemy "from opposite sides" as a punishment
I think you're indicating the following verses;
"32. On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.
33. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
34. Except for those who repent before they fall into your power: in that case, know that Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."
I have explained these verse more than once for you and you always insisted to ignore my explanations, but I'll say it again. This severe punishment is for severe crimes. It's for rapists, serial killers and terrorists. It's not a punishment for only non-Muslims or only for Muslims, it's a punishment for worst crimes not for a belief. I told you about the recent punishment of the Saudi man who raped a child, then killed him, and finally killed the worried father. He faced the penalty of death according to the just rules derived from the above verses. Remember this story?
Mohamed - You are a dandy! In your words "there is somethimes Two Ways to understand a text, the one with good intention
ReplyDeleteand the one with bad intention." Although,
Actions Speak Louder Than Words!
The one with 'good' intention ignores the Muslim Violence that we see almost daily on Tv with suicidal bombings in Iraq, or Taliban in Afganistan; Muslim killing Muslim in Palestine (Hamas vs Fatah) including mostly the innocent civilians, or in Madrid, London, New York, or Mumbai(Bombay), India where countless innocents have died.."mere incidents" - The Hindu has had 1400 yrs of this outrage!
But "Mr. Good Intention" doesn't wish to discuss these boring things, he'd prefer to talk about Poetry and Philosophy, and the great contributions in Islamic culture that adds positive things, not about the killings & mutilations, or the false promise of paradise with those perpetual virgins, and cups of flavored wine. I understand that. So, we continue on with this empty chatter.
And of course, you always have the "good" intention, and I, always the bad. Mohamed always tells the Truth, and I always LIE, and spread vicious Hatred. Correct? If I quote directly from the Qur'an you ignore it, or you have a "good translation"...right?
More: "I'm not here discussing Muslim thinkers"
Well why not, Mr Fadly? Did not Sayyid & Mohammad Qutb get their hard-line thinking of world conquest from holy text? Or, did they get it from kiddy cartoons, poetry or philosophy, or maybe a cook-book featuring various ways to perpare lamb stew?
You're pretty good at spinning fairy tales, Mohamed..Grim Fairy Tales. - reb
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For more accurate quotes...
http;//www.thereligionofpeace.com
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Mohamed,
ReplyDeleteI amalways astonished at your patience in dealing with Mr. Reb's slanders.
Reb,
I think my next post will be on American atrocities in the middle east.
Rory
Snake Hunters,
ReplyDeleteYou DID NOT offer a single comment on my last evidences.
Are you convinced, or just cannot answer (as usual)?
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Rroy,
One reason why I'm patient on reb's lies..
There are hundreds, maybe thousands of orientalist websites, books and writers that attack Islam and Muslims, but unfortunately there are fewer sounds that repel these attacks. So, I'm trying to do my best to shut up reb's lies, and I can see that my efforts are achieving its target when he cannot answer my questions or even defend his lies. That's enough for me.
When the conversation deteriorates to the point
ReplyDeleteof name-calling it becomes a crashing bore; so
lets get back to IRSP Socialism, where the comments have a bit more spice (you silly little boy.)
- "You have become victorious with craziness" -
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Adios Amigos - Adios Rascal! - reb
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Reb,
ReplyDeleteDid you ever see a Snagglepuss cartoon? His catch-pharse when the gong got tough was "exit stage left", yours seems to be "Adios Amigos".
Are you not going to respond to Mahomed?
Rory
Snake Hunters,
ReplyDeleteNice try.
Now, when you've failed to defend your lies, so listen carefully..
A long palm tree is usually thrown by stone by little kids. You know what it give back? It give delicious dates and coconut. Is it hurt from these stones? NEVER.
You have now two choices;
a) Keep spreading your lies. Keep raising hatred. Keep throwing your stones. Keep shutting your mind. But just be sure that Islam will remain as merciful and as great as it have always been.
b) Try to abandon extremism. Remove hatred from your heart. And make a brave, satisfying and neutral research about Islam. Try to know more about the truth of Islamic religion.
You failed to prove that Islam is bad, is there any possibility that it's good?!!
Maybe. Make your research by yourself. Abandon hateful websites, search in neutral websites.
This is my rational speech. Will you listen?
Since Mohamed Is Always Giving Me Advise...
ReplyDeletePerhaps I Should Return The Favor. Mr. Fadly has a keen eye that's color-sensitive, and he should focus on his real talent, in Graphic Design & Photography! People don't "learn" that, they are born with it..in their DNA.
Educating an old man on the blessings of Islam
is a waste of time, I've been around too long.
I know war and politics, and human weakness, and the - Thirst for Power - and how religious claims can cripple the mind of self-infected people, like Ahmadinejad - just listen to him!
He's Drunk With Power!
Mohamed is much like the little kid throwing a stone at a date tree; it's not the best way to gather dates, and I am very fond of them. The Large, Dark Medjool has the finest flavor, and the Deglet Noor, smaller but very sweet!
No, Mohamed Fadly is a very clever young man,
but he's very naive about war & politics; I say
that because he never mentions IRAN, or their intention to totally dominate the entire Middle East. The Egyptian & Saudi leaders are very aware, very troubled, about those Madhi believers. The Shia are only 15% of the region's population (Sunni 85%), but once Iran
has nuclear capability, it will be like a skinny little tail, wagging a very big dog.
Self-Deception is a sad thing, once it is firmly embedded in the human psyche. - reb
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Rory - Are you aware of the most prominent American Socialist of the 20th Century..Norman
ReplyDeleteThomas. I have a biography and a fine picture of him in my computer room!
Mohamed - Did you know that in the southwest corner of the U.S. we have wonderful Date Farms
between Palm Springs & Indio, California?
Mohamed - I have a wonderful explanation of Qur'an 8:12, where Dr. Hesham Hassaballa explains (in four pages) "Study and understand the context, and it becomes quite clear that they are not violent at all."
Cutting off heads & fingertips..Not Violent, Doctor? - I need some fresh air! - reb
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