After escaping from an arrest warrant granted by a London court for being accused of committing war crimes, Tzipi Livni, the Israeli former Foreign Minister, held a press conference to declare that she is "proud" of all her decisions in the Israeli war against Palestinians during Christmas last year!
It's important to record that the Israeli war was condemned by several states and international organizations. Nothing was out of the attack; hospitals, infrastructure, roads, water stations, schools, mosques and UN centers were all attacked under the claim that leaders of Palestinian resistance exist there! The result was killing 1330 victims including; 418 child killed, 108 woman killed, 88 elderly killed and 14 of medical crews killed, plus 5450 wounded with a percent of 50% children and women, and 90% of the wounds are caused by the internationally banned White Phosphorus. The reasonable description for what happened in 22 days is "Genocide".
The encouraging act of the British court that resurrected a glimmer of hope in achieving international justice is threatened now by the shameful declarations of UK's Prime Minister G. Brown of welcoming Livni in England, and the declarations of British Ministers of looking urgently at reforming the law to avoid future warrant against Israeli officials!
It's a serious threat against human rights and international justice. When policy interferes the work of justice, then all war criminals will escape the just penalty.
British government is put now in an embarrassing situation. It's required to choose one of two choices; the political relations with a government accused of committing war crimes, or chasing war criminals giving them the penalty they deserve. Which will win; Policy or Justice?
What a nasty ordeal this is: the personalization of terrorism. People do agree, that Israel attacked a valid subset of person without regard. But to remove the State involved by naming a particular individual is probably more than most people can take in.
ReplyDeleteI think that is the thrust making Tzipi Livni's arrest provocative.
I disagree, moonlite.
ReplyDeleteIt's not a personalization of terrorism. It's how justice works. It's what is called in law studies, "International Jurisdiction of War Crimes". Every state has the jurisdiction to chase war criminals wherever they are.
On the other side, the arrest warrants are granted against more than one militant leader who were responsible for the war crimes in Gaza. Livni is just one of them.
It's hard to punish the soldiers, but it's possible to punish the leaders.
Thank you for the legal perspective.
ReplyDeleteI hope you understand why some in England's government have clearly welcomed Livni, as I interpret. The reasoning is there - Israel is responsible, collectively.
More discussion is may be needed. Without groundswelling support, elected leaders in England will remain hesitant.
Mohamed - Thanks for your legal opinion!
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Mohamed sez, "Int. Jurisdiction of War Crimes--
Every (nation) state has the jurisdiction(al) obligation to chase war criminals wherever they are."
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Well, if there is a 'moral obligation' to chase war criminals, perhaps we peace-loving nations should hereby resolve...to unite, to vigorously pursue the next suicide-bomber (and the organization that sent him or her, to kill innocents in a crowded place...anywhere in the world) be he Jew, Christian or even a MUSLIM!
Does Anyone Here Agree? reb
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moonlite,
ReplyDeleteIf you wish a legal opinion on almost any subject, Mohamed Fadly is the last person with whom you should choose to consult. It is like seeking psychiatric conseling from an inmate in an insane asylum. You may learn much about divers forms of mental illness, but you will never be offered a cure.
And b/c I cannot resist a brief bit of editorializing, if you wish to identify the biggest impediment to peace in Palestine, look no further than Mohamed Fadly and his ilk. Don't blame Israel; don't blame the Jews; don't blame the U.S. So long as people like Mohamed are willing to enable the more radical elements of the Palestinian people and pour gasoline on the fire, you may expect recent history in South Lebanon and Gaza to be repeated, over and over again.
Hey Mohamed. There are a myriad of human rights abuses that accur on a daily basis in your home country of Egypt. Why don't just work on those?
Regards,
The Loop Garoo Kid
Snake Hunters,
ReplyDeleteSo, you stopped tailing me on my own blog to come here!
Anyway, according to what is already happening, there is no claim was provided to any court around the world against any "suicidal-bomber", so legally no court in any country is able to chase them as "War Criminals".
But what is already happening is that an Israeli War Criminal is requested to be fairly judged, what will Americans do if this war criminal went to visit America?
Will they welcome her on red carpets,
or chase her and present her for the same courts that judge Guantanamo Bay prisoners?
Americans will be tested very soon.. Policy Or Human Rights?
Mohamed - you wonder why I don't "tail you" on Understanding Islam {post}? Well, if I did 'pursue you' there, you would simply delete (or leave one-half of) the comment. So,
ReplyDeletehere I have a better chance of receiving fair treatment. I might disagree with Rory from time to time, and that seems acceptable here.
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Now, If Rory would just clean up his language, he would be welcomed on Snake Hunters blog!
reb
Snake Hunters,
ReplyDeleteYou know exactly why I delete parts of your comments, so don't play a fool.
It's simply because you never aimed at making a discussion. All what you want to do is just keep repeating what you was told, and aren't ready to hear what opposes what you believe in. You aren't ready to "change". Maybe because you're a Republican not Democrat. :P
If I talked about victims of Gaza, you'll say "Hamas and Fatah are killing each other!" Check "CHILDREN OF GAZA UNDER ATTACK" post on my blog Jan 9, 2009.
If I talked about how Prophet Muhammad told Muslims to deal with non-Muslims, you'll say an odd lie about ".. Convert Them, Enslave Them, or just Kill 'Em!" Check "MUSLIMS & NON-MUSLIMS | What Did Prophet Muhammad Tell Muslims To Do?" post on NOV 16, 2009
You always disperse the conversation away from its natural way.
You never answered one of my questions.
If you want your comments to be allowed then listen carefully..
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In December 19, 2009 3:24 PM you said something about Sayyed Qutb and a Hadith of the Prophet, I answered you and refuted your claims, and provided quotes from the Qur'an assuring that Islam respects treaties held with non-Muslims. Instead of discussing about these verses, you just repeated what you said before!!!
Snake Hunters, That's not how discussions go. When a party provides some evidence, the other party must discuss about these evidences, NOT TO IGNORE THEM!
Now, if you want me to listen to you, tap my name in blue, click on "Understanding Islam", scroll to the comment section of "Israeli .. Peace?", read my comment on December 19, 2009 11:35 PM, provide your perspective about what I said.
Ready to make a fruitful discussion, or not yet?
Mohamed - On Your December 19th Comment:
ReplyDeleteGOOD GRIEF!! Nine Paragraphs...Is that the nature and Form of a Single Question? Or, is it only more 'taqiyya-type deception', you playing the fool, talking in circles, with the Infidel?
Your Sayyid Qutb was far more Honest, with more Clarity, AND More CONCISE:
"...true peace would prevail in the world,
JUST AS SOON AS ISLAM HAD CONQUERED IT (!)"
That's the True Essence of Islam, and you should be ashamed, and hide your head. reb
You see folks, the Egyptian Lawyer plays a silly word-game with the non-lawyer (that hunts snakes) in an attempt to trick him, but he ignores "Loop Garoo", an American Lawyer!
ReplyDeleteHmmmm. He also ran away from a Judeo-Christian scholar that knew the Holy Qur'an, and the 1400 year history of Islam.
Would you like to debate either of these two gentlemen with a "fruitful discussion" on the subject of Palestine? OR, NOT YET?
reb
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Or perhaps Sir no-slappz, Sir Amillenialist,
ReplyDeleteSir Winfred. Isn't Palestine & Gaza still Mohamed's favorite subject for fruitful discussion?
Memorial Parade Post Is Available.
Not yet, or perhaps not ever? reb
Gosh, if one gathers up all freedom, there is no freedom. One commentor eludes this is possible.
ReplyDeleteI like to watch Charles Dickens movies on the public television. The setting is always the Victorian Era of England. You all might try watching a series or two of Masterpiece Theatre, when Dicksns is on. It's a good study of power and control.
Most men hate Masterpiece theatre. I suggest reading, "Hard Times". It's a fast read. But it's a good study.
As most people realize, these days, the war among religions is a vieled cover. The war is the same as it was during Dickens time. It's the war of predjudice, racism, and most of all, who's got the money.
The achievement, the aim, is to gather money, not freedom, and harm anyone possible, even those with alliances. It's nonsense to claim any other war.
Snake Hunters,
ReplyDeleteYou said, "Nine Paragraphs...Is that the nature and Form of a Single Question?
No, it's not a question. It's a refuting evidences. You claimed that Islamic religion invites to disrespect treaties with non-Muslims. I provided evidences refuting this claim from Qur'an itself, the Holy Book for Muslims, that prove that Allah ordered Muslims to respect treaties with non-Muslims.
That's what I request from you. An answer to these evidences that refuted your nonsense claim.
Can you provide an answer?
Mohamed - You never tire in your circular questions, always AVOIDING the main issue of IRAN!
ReplyDeleteExample: Dec 22nd statement: "Americans will be
tested very soon..Policy or Human Rights."
Yes Indeed! Cruise Missile Strike in Yemen, takes out Nidal Hassan's Imam, plus the Saudi King's obvious willingness to confront the Shiites of Iran in Yemen by accepting American military help! Ignore that "policy evidence", Mohamed!
The Sunni Egyptian leaders also know what's happening, while Mohamed talks unrelated gibberish!
Ahamdinejad is about to witness the end of his '30-year Madhi Prophesy' Nonesense, and also Ali Khomeinei brutal regime. Peace?!? reb
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Mohamed,
ReplyDeleteThere is at least one comment missing from this post. It's from you and given to TLGK. Have you removed it?
Reb,
ReplyDeleteFirst, Merry Christmas.
Now, I very much doubt your comment concerning Rory's language. I see no cursing on Blog of Blogs. It's ill favored to say that he would use foul language as a guest if he isn't using foul language at his home space, Blog of Blogs, where he feels naturally inclined to write normally.
If normal to him, is devoid of cursing and any other improper language, I can only comment that, "Sir, leave this matter alone."
Hi all,
ReplyDeleteI've been away from blogland for a few weeks, pondering the futility of existence. Back I come and see the same old arguments. No wonder I get depressed.
Personally I think what Israel did in Gaza was a crime. I find it hard to call a war crime though, since I would have thought it would take two armies to contest a war, rather than one army attacking a million and a half trapped civilians, a few of whom might have had handguns or homemade rockets, but really what damage did, or even could they do against the technology of the Israeli Defence Force?
I think the Gaza Strip is the biggest concentration camp ever built, and I wonder why this is not obvious to everyone.
The obvious and at least once stated (by Moshe Dayan) aim of the Israelis is the drive out or exterminate the Palestinians and have the whole land to themselves. I am not sure if they want everything from the Nile to the Euphrates as Mahomed wrote but they definitely want the West Bank and the Gaza strip to begin with.
Rory
Moonlite Lady - Rory's an honest man, ask him
ReplyDeleteif I've treated him unfairly; ask if he uses potty-language in the vain hope he'll insult this old man. I don't delete these nasties, but I withhold quite a few. Rory is not alone.
It's amazing to realize how much hatred one senile old guy can generate with such little effort!
Sometimes I think..odd religious notions, once they are deeply embedded in a normal, healthy mind, tend to drive people insane.
They even justify really nutzy things:
Like flying planes into buildings, stoning young women, wrapping a bomb on their body, or wanting to cut a person's head off, or dreaming of 72 perpetual virgins...or female genitalia mutilation (FGM), or insisting that everyone else accept an ancient god...and if you refuse, then you pay a small tax, and "feel subdued"!
Isn't that pretty clear evidence of mental illness...well, isn't it - Yes or No?
reb
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Reb,
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure about your age, but religious dogma seems different from thoughtful reflection.
Anyway, I found a new center field, which is what a moderator might become on a blog. So many ideas and visions. At this time, I would want to say, good measures will steady you through such treacherous waters such as you have been wading through.
Rapists are very power hungry people. One can't propose a more worthy punishment, than the one I was told by an Egyptian woman, If a man dare to rape a woman, the neighborhood will handle man. And, she won't be bothered again by him.
But, there are places where woman do not have this advantage.
The timeline to this moment. Do you have a measage about today?
Snake Hunters,
ReplyDeleteYou said; Mohamed - You never tire in your circular questions, always AVOIDING the main issue of IRAN!
Thinking of it, I'm not the one who said that nonsense words about how Muslims don't respect treaties with non-Muslims. It's you who came to my blog and told this claim. I answered you, and refuted your claims. I told you how the Prophet ordered a Muslim man to be executed because he killed a non-Muslim who have a treaty with Muslims. I told you 6 verses from the Qur'an ordering Muslims to fulfill treaties held with non-Muslims. All included in the comment section of "Israeli .. Peace?" post on my blog. And now you said that I'm making circular questions?!!!!
I think you're saying that because you can't answer my evidences that refuted your false claim. You always avoid making one continuous discussion.
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You know! I believe that all efforts to approach to you and extend a peace hand are all in vain.
You know why? Because you believe that all Muslims are deceiving all non-Muslims. Even those who hold conferences to make "A Common Word" among Muslims and Christians are all liars!
You're a hopeless!
However, I'll keep my hand extended with the great true rules of my religion, not the false rules of extremists.
"Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just. "
Rory,
ReplyDeleteWhat was done in Gaza stripe during the last Christmas celebrations wasn't just a "War Crime", but it was classified in the report of the Jewish judge, R. Goldstone, as "Crimes Against Humanity". It's a higher degree of magnitude of the crime. (However these crimes, 1400 victims half are children, America used its Veto against discussing the report in Security Counsel. As usual, Policy wins, Human Rights loses!)
You're right. Gaza Strip is the largest concentration camp ever. But the world is silent. Shame all the governments that do nothing to stop that bloody play.
But peoples are not as bad as governments. The free people in England are organizing a boycott against Israeli products, and will soon make marches in the anniversary of Gaza war in front of Israeli embassy. There is still a glimmer of hope.
Moonlight Lady - I'm curious WHY my age seems important (I don't), but I'll be 85 on Feb 11th, and why I'm still around, is another small mystery (But I'm Diggin' It, O.K.?)
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Another Loony-Tune just flew in from Nigeria, thru Amsterdam...to Detroit, with a Fire-Bomb between his legs (!) - (what was he thinking)... and HE Will Not be Thinkin' about raping anyone for a while, and That's Good!
Apparently, Alert Passengers & Crew felt the need to SUBDUE HIM (without any Jizya Tax) (Hah!) just a Pain-killer for his sensitive parts (his chessnuts were roasting on an open fire...!)
We ARE such a Compassionate People that have uncommon goodwill for this poor slob; he's been DECEIVED, and Maybe listening to the wrong people...(don'tcha think?)
Anyway...You Have A Happier New Year in 2010, for You & Yours, For a Much Better Tomorrow!
Old Reb
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Moonlite,
ReplyDeleteI didn't understand what you exactly mean by; "will handle man". Do you mean, handle him for the police?
In fact, rape in Arab societies is very disgusting crime that the society don't accept at all. I was once told by someone on my blog that Islam justifies raping women. I don't know what is the information source for this guy, but the truth is exactly the contrary.
A rapist will be considered according to Islamic law as a perpetrator of the crime "Haraba" stated in the 33th verse of the 5th chapter in Qur'an;
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter; "
No mercy with such animals. We call them in Egypt, "Human-Wolves".
I told you before about the ten men who raped a woman in Egypt, and the court decided to execute them all. And in Saudi Arabia, a deviant man raped a little child, then killed him and his father, and he was executed.
"The best and only security for religious liberty in any society, is a multiplicity of religious sects. Where there is such a variety of sects, there cannot be a majority of any one sect, to oppress and persecute the rest."
ReplyDeleteJames Madison - Fourth U.S. President
Hi Mohamed,
ReplyDeleteThis is a personal story. I was a student ten years ago and lived with my young children across the sidewalk from an Egyptian Engineering student, his wife and children.
We chatted back and forth over the fence, our children shared toys and lunch or snacks. Sometimes, I would be invited over to her place. She didn't come into my apartment, because my elder son was almost sixteen.
I think the American news was on one day. A report was being given about a current rape situation nearby. I asked the woman what happens to rapists in Egypt. She looked puzzled. I furthered my question by asking if the police were called or what action is usually taken.
Being a woman, she had a woman's view. She laughed a bit, telling me there were no police. So, I asked, "How is such a thing as rape handled?"
That's when she told me that things like rape are handled by the neighborhood, the people around where she lives. I asked her what the people would do. She indicated with body language that the right hand would be taken from the right arm. No more use of it for work, etc.
I asked if that is what they do. She moved her head as in furthering possible actions that can be taken, and said that the rapist would be no more.
This was two women talking about a crime which usually occurs against a woman. It wasn't a legal siting or anything like that. But, I felt confident that her little daughter would be safe when they went back to Egypt, as would she. Also, she didn't feel as safe in the US as she did in her own country.
Since that day, I have never doubted the Muslim population in Egypt when it came to rape of women.
Yes, certainly, I have read and have a document about a woman who was beaten constantly by her husband. It was brutal and she had no recourse, so she finally escaped and a movie was made of her experience. I understand this is not uncommon in some Muslim families.
I am not living in an Arab nor a Muslim lead region, so how can I report? But, a new study concerning woman, girls and terrorism, it was found: in areas where women and girls lack education and access to the wider community, there is more terrorist acts. If education of the women and girls in said area get education, terrorism goes down. Also, woman can read for themselves and gain their own understanding as well as interpretation of what is happening in their community.
But, this is not an unusual phenomenon. This is very true in the USA. To this day, girls are poo-pooed to get and education or to run for a major office, like the presidency.
Does a lower educational standard for women mean there will be more terrorism here in the US? I recently read a book about Porta Rican women in New York City. Decent education is impossible. Blind hope follow the reality, that the women will be gang members, drug users or prostitutes. There is no way out. Education is not possible because of the area where these women live.
Well, Snake Hunter, you might be blowing your mind right now. But, do try to understand this is a well researched discussion. And, rape is only one element of the abuse and corruption - here in the USA and over in other countries.
Moonlite Lady - Fifty-six men signed their death warrant to put their lives, fortunes, and their sacred honor onto Jefferson's Declaration of Independence in 1776. Eighty years later we abolished human slavery forever in this nation. Our Laws permit change, Muslim Law i.e. Muhammad's Law, is Immutable, set in stone. It's a death penalty to attempt to change it!
ReplyDeleteHuman slavery still exists for women and girls in some Muslim societies, where women and girls are treated no better than the family goat; often denied secondary education. In Afganistan, 70% are illiterate. Where women are considered as a man's property, certainly not as a life-partner. In Saudi Arabia women cannot drive a vehicle on a public street; women are beaten by their poligamist husbands for minor infractions; women are beaten for showing a wrist or an ankle in public...it's permitted in the Holy Qur'an...Do you need the chapter & verse? Shari'a is the 'Law of the Land' in Islamic Totalitarian Cultures. Try Building a Christian Church in Saudi Arabia? Not if you value your life! Then, Read our First Amendment, Freedom of, and from...Religion.
When you cite individual cases in a depressed neighborhood, these are not nationally approved policy...rules governing conduct; I think you know that. Men are given years in prison when convicted in American Courts of Law for beating & raping girls & women, and you know it! A few states like corrupt Vermont are a haven for pedophiles; you probably know that too. Honor killings are a recent Muslim Importation; Female Genitalia Mutilation (FGM) is still unknown here, so why worry? (Barf)
The only thing that really "blows my mind" is
when someone uses 13 paragraphs to badly spin & distort the truth to "win" an argument or discussion. See Jihad Watch, or thoroughly research FrontPageMag authors, on your fine computer. Race Horses wear "blinders", humans should not, and must not!
reb
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"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness, even the existance of a God...because, if there be one, HE must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blinded fear. Your own reason is the only Oracle given you by heaven, and you are answerable, not only for the rightness, but uprightness of the decision."
ReplyDeleteThomas Jefferson - Our Third President.
"– a land whose countryside would be bright with
ReplyDeletecosy homesteads, whose fields and villages would be joyous with the sounds of industry, with the romping of sturdy children, the contest of athletic youths and the laughter of happy maidens, whose firesides would be forums for the wisdom of serene old age. The home, in short, of a people living the life that God desires that men should live. . . .
Eámon de Valera our third president.
Snake Hunter,
ReplyDeleteFemale circumcision is legal in some states here in the USA. It is an unpleasant discussion anywhere. It is a procedure, which was at one time performed on a routine basis.
Nationally, female sterilization without the patient's approval is now banned. It too was performed routinely at one time. In the USA. There are women alive today, in the USA, who have had one or both of these procedures performed on them. This is a fact.
Lady Moonlite - It Is Also A Fact...that young girls are totally unaware of the nature and consequences of these 'procedures', so how can they possibly have "patient approval"? The young are totally dependent on the judgement of their adult parents!
ReplyDeleteUnpleasant Discussion? Indeed It Is! reb
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Oops. I got it backwards 30 s
ReplyDeleteome states have not illegalized it.
reb,
This is probably true. Most men have no idea about what the process is nor why it would be performed in the first place. It's not like a war wound that you can tell about to your buddies.
In the US female circucision was at one time performed at around age 6 years. Just as sterization without consent, circumcision should be also. This would may be abolish the procedure.
The Catholic Church gest involved with so many aspects of sexuality. I wonder if they have rules regarding female circumcision at an international level from the pope. They probably have rules about sterilization.
I like it that this kind of legislation is done devoid of religion. So far, it is an individual decision. However, one can not be sure the pendulum won't swing the other way, as has happened with the issue of abortion.
Moonlight Lady Sez, "The Catholic Church gets involved with many aspects of sexuality." True.
ReplyDeletePresumably, "Father" is an expert everything from marriage & divorce to ectopic pregnancy, to proper behavior in the bedroom, etc and yet he has taken a vow of celibacy. OooPs! The blind leading the blind!
Go to Barnes & Noble Used Books, find "American Freedom & Catholic Power, by Paul Blanchard (1961) Beacon Press - a scholarly, easily read work!
Here's a sample, from his chapter on Tolerance,
Appeasement And Freedom:
"The Roman Catholic Church, convinced, through its devine prerogatives, of being the only true church, must demand the right of freedom for herself alone, because such a right can only be possessed by truth, never by error. As to other religions, the Church will never draw the sword, but she will require that by legitimate means they shall not be allowed to propagate false doctrine. Consequently, in a state where the majority of the people are Catholic, the Church will require that legal existance be denied to error, and that if religious minorities actually exist, they shall have only a de facto existance, without opportunity to spread their beliefs." !!!
The Jesuits, in Civilta Cattolica of Rome, published in 1948. (I was 23 yrs old when I read that trash, and my baptismal name is Joseph!) This book is a rare treasure, (filled with footnotes from bishops & cardinals from the highest authoritative sources.)
How Do American Catholics feel about that,
and still believing in our First Amendment?
reb
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Postscript:
ReplyDeleteDoes any of that Jesuit prattle sound familiar?
"Devine Prerogatives!" Isn't that exactly what they preach, and insist that you believe, in any religious intitution? "Faith is the subject of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen." (I forget the chapter & verse)
Mohammad got his notions from "the people of the book". Other people followed, and spun it,
and now we have 1400 years of...Holy Qur'an!
No sacramental wine, I think I'll have an Apricot Brandy! - 12:45 PM, Eastern - reb
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Reb,
ReplyDeleteWhere is this discussion going? It has moved wildly off from the subject of the post, the religious discussion might be more appropriate on Moonlitewines post on Female Circumcision.
I don't think anyone around here is that interested in Catholic Church dogma and propaganda. Certainly not me. (and I think I'm the only catholic albeit non-practicing).
Rory
Rory, I'm sorry to disturb your equalibrium, but since Roman Catholicism has plagued Ireland
ReplyDeletefor so many decades, and there has been so much blood-letting between North & South, it reminded me of how closely it paralelled the
Islamic World, Muslims killing Muslims, in Iran, Pakistan, Afganistan, Iraq, and on the continent of Africa.
Paul Blanchard's book has been my own personal "goldmine of information" since I was in my early twenties, and I thought questioning
Catholics everywhere might benefit.
If you prefer, I'll leave you any Moonlite to
your own pleasures...
I have this crazy notion that I do occasionally have something valid to say; isn't that why we blog? -
I apologize - reb
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Reb,
ReplyDeleteCome or go as you please, but as far as I can see you are only here to stir shit and spread sectarian hatred.
You can write what you like about the Catholic church, but if you are doing it to annoy me, believe me you are wasting your time and effort. I have no illusions about the RC church's far from perfect past or present flaws.
Rory
Rory - You have a perspective, and I have a different viewpoint. You blog to inform others;
ReplyDeleteI too feel a solemn duty (an obsession?) to inform people. My computer is my most effective weapon in today's communication age. I only wish for more journalistic eloquence; and better computer skills (old dogs are slow to learn new tricks!)
We all stumble along with what little erudition we have, don't we Rory?
Stiring up mud, and "spreading sectarian hatred" is a terrible waste of valuable time,
for you, or for me. Informing an apathetic, unaware generation...is a noble challenge.
reb
REb,
ReplyDeleteYou are just sectarian, plain and simple! You condemn Islam for it's 'kill culture' and support of 'terrorism'.
The RC Church is utterly pro-life and conservative. IRA volunteers have been routinely ex-communicated by the RC Church since our undoubtedly righteous war of Independence from Britain in 1920, so you can hardly accuse the RC church of causing 'terrorism'. You just hate anyone or anything that does not fit into your own small-minded view of the world.
Sectarian!
Rory
I have an abundance of viewpoints on religions (some good things in all, and some evil things that turn you off about the Roman Church). I study these things, and so do you. Man's
ReplyDeletepolitics, and the evolution of religious thought going back to Brahma, Vishnu & Shiva (she was a violent bitch), to King Hammurabi that gave the world the First Written Law (he also cut the hands off a youngster that struck his father) and I despise the violence of criminals in all nations, the brutality against women & girls, permitted by Shari'a Law in Muslim countries...and I'm amused by boobs that indulge in pointless name-calling,
like "zenophobic fascist pig" (Stiletto), or
"Sectarian" (hah!) - Gotcha!
2:20 AM Eastern - Time for a brandy! - reb
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Rory - Do you really believe that? Or, are you just saying it out of frustration? Religious historians, I am sure, would tend to agree that
ReplyDeleteamong the most powerful religious faiths...
a) Roman Catholicism and b) Islam - These two powerful faiths have the bloodiest background of all in recorded in world history!
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Since you are familiar with the interesting past debate between Mohamed Fadly & Sir Amillennialist on our 'Memorial Parade' {post},
I Will Chanllenge You - to debate me - on a
clear channel post on Snake Hunters Moderated Weblog, where interference from hecklers will be denied; the questions & answers concise, (limited to 500 words each segment), and each will be allowed a fair chance to speak his mind. No dirty language allowed. A maxim three (3) days allowed between each segment to prepare the questions & answers.
The first segment question: Why Are Many Europeans Perceived To Be So Hateful Of American Policy After WWII?
(You choose the second question, in a proper & sequential orderly way.)
Will you accept this goodwill offer? I hope so. Either party may terminate this discussion at any time...fair enough? - reb
To All,
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone even want to read Reb's last comment, because I don't (read the first 2 lines, same old religious hate shit),
certainly not replying.
I have nothing more to comment on this thread.
It's all your's Reb, rant away!
Rory
Rory - No Rant From Me! My challenge to debate
ReplyDeleteyou remains Open - once the holidays are past
you may wish to reconsider.
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My Best To You & To Lady Moonlite - reb
Reb,
ReplyDeleteNo thanks, some of the other's might want to debate you.
Rory
There's an old song telling about a person, who worked for peace in his nation.
ReplyDeleteThere was a second person watching all he did and agree it was the right thing to do - to make others aware of the waste hatred creates.
The end of the song tells the listener, that they were both killed by the government and that, all people must have believed it must be done.
It's a song by Mason Profit. May be it's called, "Two Hangmen Hanging on a Tree".
Just a new year's thought.